Poor Karlyn Borysenko just can’t catch a break. First, she was a Democrat…until she was forced out of the movement by a gang of roving far-left knitters.Then she joined the Republicans…until they turned their back on her for repeatedly trying to “align” her “chakras'' with a (very uncomfortable) male cowriter, and saying that a certain Austrian painter went to heaven. Now she’s a Libertarian… and the Greens are looking nervously her way.
Links:
Jesse on Leon County:
Mises Caucus ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL:
https://reason.com/2022/05/29/mises-caucus-takes-control-of-libertarian-party/
Brandon Straka, #WalkAway founder, sentenced to 3 years probation and 3 months home detention for his role in the January 6th riots:
The boss where Karlyn Borysenko used to work stepped down following an internal investigation:
Hostile takeover of the knitting community leads Borysenko to to break with the left:
Borysenko is asked to wear wristband pass in hotel waterpark, decides to go sicko mode and get kicked out rather than comply:
Borysenko explains how the Austrian Painter went to heaven, gets her PragerU video privated:
Borysenko stalks former writing partner because they have lots of “karmic connections”:
She claims it was the other way around, actually:
…But she sure tweets about him a lot:
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40drkarlynB%20kieran&src=typed_query
Borysenko’s Town Hall Putsch (note body language, which is on-point):
Her subsequent ban from local school board meetings:
Borysenko Tweets about the Mises Caucus takeover of the LP:
Borysenko then decides to run for governor of New Hampshire as a Libertarian:
She’s also volunteering for Jeremy Kauffmann’s Libertarian Senate campaign in NH, describes him as “[James Lindsay] level smart”:
I'm only partway through but I can't get over the fact that Mises Caucus sounds like dirty talk from Jar Jar Binks.
There were two von Mises brothers. One was an economist and one a structural engineer. So I keep thinking people are also really excited about the von Mises stress tensor. Just me?
Thanks for answering this, now I don't have to look it up! Had the same thought when they were talking about von mises economics. Reminds me of Scott Alexander's piece exploring why genius runs in families.
I just assumed Mrs von Mises was a tough mom. :)
Do you have a link? That sounds interesting
https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/secrets-of-the-great-families/comments?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
It's been almost 24 hours now and I still can't stop laughing at this!
I feel like I need to apologize to anyone else who spent all weekend with "Mises Caucus" as their intrusive thought.
Hahaha!! We had fun with it all weekend!
I love the people here.
I was a little disappointed in the aside that (paraphrasing) "well have the kids complained about opposite sex trans youth with them" implying it's only overly concerned conservative parents are concerned. Can we just assume if adults are too nervous to stand up and say what they think that's against the trans orthodoxy why would we think children are brave enough to do so and would? Didn't we just have an awesome episode about high schoolers getting cancelled? Male genitalia in the girls locker room is a hill I'm willing to die on for my kid.
I’m willing to die on that hill for your kid. I’ve done some work (just volunteer stuff) with girls who’ve suffered abuse and it’s appalling to me that we aren’t by default keeping male genitals as far away from young girls’ spaces as possible. This is the most insane thing I’ve ever heard. There is a reason even in battered women’s shelters that boys of a certain age are “monitored” and “encouraged” toward a friend’s house etc instead of staying in the shelter.
Of course no kids will stand up and say they’re uncomfortable. They shouldn’t have to, that’s what ADULTS are for. I don’t have kids but I was one and I knew nothing! Thank goodness adults protected me from my own stupidity.
I’m glad you’re speaking up, too.
“Can we just assume if adults are too nervous to stand up and say what they think that's against the trans orthodoxy why would we think children are brave enough to do so and would?”
Exactly!
Also, hearing people that aren’t parents dismiss parents AGAIN (hearing this a lot on Twitter, etc.) is getting old. We heard it from the swimmers from UPenn who spoke out anonymously - they were warned not to talk, and were gaslighted that any discomfort they felt was grounds for them to seek counseling. Why would it be any different for high schoolers? And even if there WERE okay with it, parents have a right to say “no.” By Jesse’s reasoning we should do away with permission slips.
The swimmers were exactly who I was thinking of
Jimmy Concepts sounds like a mob hitman who got really into existentialism and/or postmodernism.
I can see him sitting at a table eating sausage and fried peppers with Joe Pesci and Ray Liotta. (With a corpse in the trunk of Pesci's car).
*A conceptual corpse.
"Conceptual Corpse" is my band that performs Peter Gabriel-era Genesis songs in the musical style of Rob Zombie.
There's a short story by Woody Allen from his collection Getting Even that had a mobster named Albert the logical positivist Corillo.
I hate being this guy, but it's the second ep you guys have talked about Keynes. His name is pronounced KAYNZ. not keynz. KAAAAAYNZ.
You say Rolling and I say Rawling. Let’s call the whole thing off.
You guys totally have an Episode 15. It's titled "Blocked and Reported: Everyone Is Getting Fired All At Once, Except For Us", and there are copies of it floating around on the internet, for example at https://www.bababam.com/katie-herzog-and-jesse-singal-blocked-and-reported/202006111000-everyone-getting-fired-all-once-except-us
Good job! Now go find some 60's Doctor Who!!
That’s so weird. It’s quite a key episode, introducing Bon Appetit/Reply All, Fuck Hertzo/CHOP/CHAZ, Jew Zee, Yasher Ali... I can remember the episode title and vaguely think I’ve heard it before. But it’s definitely not in my feed. And that makes me anxious.
It's even on youtube already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
If you guys are looking for material I’d be interested to hear Jesse talk about the recent findings on the non-chemical nature of depression and what that means. Maybe it’s more a topic for a callin as it’s not culture war-y enough though tbh I think the use of SSRIs is a big culture war issue at this point. Link to the Story https://t.co/mqXuKvbveD . Just a thought anyway
Scott Alexander had a post about this issue a while back that I found persuasive.
https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/05/chemical-imbalance/
TLDR “The idea that depression is a drop-dead simple serotonin deficiency was never taken seriously by mainstream psychiatry. The idea that depression was a complicated pattern of derangement in several different brain chemicals that may well be interacting with or downstream from other causes has always been taken seriously, and continues to be pretty plausible”
I would love to look into this!
SSRIs are like a magic pill for me. I’ve had depression since I was a teenager- and didn’t get medication for it until my late thirties. I haven’t had any depressive episodes since.
Is it a placebo? Whatever it is, it works and lets me have a happy life.
Karlyn Borysenko is the reason I'm against psychologists with a PhD referring to themselves as "Doctor."
Jill Biden is another good example of someone with a PHD passing themselves off as a doctor when it suits (in her case, when it suits her husbands career). They used this to bad-faith effect multiple times during the pandemic.
Anyone with a PhD is rightly referred to as "Dr." in academia. It makes perfect sense to use the title more generally, as well, and doesn't seem bad faith at all to me.
You are 100% correct- but hear me out:
The reason the title "Dr." commands respect in our society is because of medical doctors, and maybe also people in the hard sciences with PhDs. People who have gone to school forever and studied theories about education are not revered. It's borrowed glory.
Here's another reason it bothers me for Jill Biden. Her main position is first lady and wife of Joe. Supporting the president, That's pretty important. If I'm supporting my spouse it's not about me and I'd be an ass to bring up the PhD. If she's lecturing on her research topic that's fine
Titles are useful when relevant and needless bragging otherwise.
Thank you for helping me understand why I always thought my microbiology prof father deserved to be called "Dr." but my political scientist husband did not.
Anecdote alert: in my four years of college I never heard a single professor ask to be addressed as Doctor.
I work in Pharma R&D, which has a lot of Ph.D folks floating around. I have not heard anyone ask to be addressed as Doctor. Even some of the MDs don't use it because they are in research instead of practice.
Where I have heard it is in Jill Biden's field - education. I laughed when the controversy exploded because the use of Doctor seemed so prevalent among the Ed.D community. Must be a status thing.
Isn’t that because they simply assume everyone knows their credentials, though? People don’t insist on titles among peer groups - it’s there to demonstrate your credentials to the outside world, not the in-group.
If you are referring to the MD's working in research, point well taken. They've got nothing to prove to the in-group. I would be curious how they present themselves to outsiders.
> I never heard a single professor ask to be addressed as Doctor.
Because "professor" is higher status.
It actually depends where you are. In the US ‘professor’ is often just a lecturer.
I'm also with Captain Holt on this https://youtu.be/_5QoYZuMILo
Funny, I’ve never seen him in a comedic role.
Oh you are in for a treat. Captain Raymond Holt is one of the great comic creations: https://youtu.be/0zJLltYWtNA
I’m going to watch this show! I’ve loved him since the movie Glory a million years ago and then in Homicide but I didn’t even know he’d done a comedy. Nobody irl suggests these things to me because I’m told I have the sense of humor of a dead halibut. Fair enough. I rarely like comedy sitcoms but I don’t see how I could go wrong with this one - the compilation was funny because he’s such a good “straight” man. See, I know funny ;)
Thanks!
When you are giving out physical health advice (that serves your husbands political agenda) and prefacing it with "I'm a doctor" and what you are is a PHD is early education child care, then that seems extremely bad faith to me. She's not a medical doctor. She's a trophy wife with a PHD in an unrelated field. She should not be passing herself off as a medical doctor (implicitly or explicitly) when it suits her. It's a lie.
Jill Biden may be a lot of things, but she is not s trophy wife. I can do a little inner eye roll when Ed PhD's are too into their credentials, but I am not here to denigrate teachers.
Hands down the best professor I ever had was a Educational methods professor ( yes, a PhD). She was stellar. She is, by all accounts, a wonderful hardworking person. She is not in the same universe as a trophy wife.
I prefer professor. Dr feels off unless I'm annoyed by companies losing my luggage
I love this! For anyone who likes to hate Karlyn, there's a parody account on twitter called @karlynsbrainstem I highly recommend it!
I'm a knitter and a former supporter of the Mises Cauc so I've known about this clown bitch for quite awhile! I was creeped out when the notification for this episode dropped in my inbox because her name has been flooding my mentions lately
Twitter says @karlynsbrainstem doesn't exist.
Sorry, I misspelled. It's karlynbrainstem
My dad’s fourth wife’s father once sent me a book about how heaven was organized as a corporation. Very specific details about various departments. This is all to say every person has a weird theology in their head that they reverse engineered to justify their view of the world. But you’re supposed to wait until you’re senile before you write a three hundred page explanation of it that no one wants to read. Although bonus points for making all of our world a deliberate choice. Ultra libertarian cosmology.
I’m a free-stater who moved to Manchester last year. Having lived in a couple big cities in the last decade I can say southern New Hampshire is not super liberal, however, the sea coast region is. A typical bar in Manchester is full of pool-shooting sluts, guys with ‘Fuck Joe Biden’ shirts spelled in a gun font, and normal gay couples who don’t follow the news at all. The music is from the 90s and so is the fashion. Trump nearly won here (within city limits) in 2020. It certainly has its charms.
“A typical bar in Manchester is full of pool-shooting sluts, guys with ‘Fuck Joe Biden’ shirts spelled in a gun font, and normal gay couples who don’t follow the news at all. The music is from the 90s and so is the fashion.”
Don’t threaten me with a good time!
I live in nh
Shocking number of progressives up north. A lot of Bernie bros.
Sounds like a lot of Vermont osmosis going on up there. In the ski towns you also do get a lot of progressive signaling. Whether it’s genuine or meant to flatter the Boston-clientele sensibilities, I can’t say.
Yeah, I think you're right. More to do with it's proximity to Vermont than anything.
I believe Jeremy Kauffman lives in Manch. That’s where all the crypto-bro $$$ is.
Yes LBRY and Odysee are headquartered in Manchester and you can find Jeremy at the local free-state club house on any given week. Very funny guy. I’m surprised his campaign videos haven’t gotten more traction in the twittersphere: https://youtu.be/kdfym6LKpQ0
The crypto-wealth is pretty well dispersed too. A lot seems to be on the (fancier) seacoast. For instance Bruce Fenton, who is our free-state candidate for US senate, has quite the waterfront farm/estate.
Holy shit I used to play frisbee with this guy before he lived in NH. I'm FLOORED right now
Wow, yeah lol that’s how his wife said she met him (ultimate frisbee) during her speech at the campaign launch, as their little kids just wandered around the stage the whole time. Free spirits the lot of them.
Have any Twitter users checked on Katie? Has she become Our Lady Of The Fucked Up Mentions?
Don't know what a beachhead head is... Some of you haven't spent 8 hours just *setting up* a 40K battle and it shows.
I only know bc my father is a WWII history aficionado.
Doesn’t that sum it up. I was stunned, how could you not know what a beachhead is? But then I thought about the number of times I’ve had to pause the podcast and do some googling to figure wtf they’re talking about because sometimes it’s like we’re on two different planets… and never the twain shall meet.
Why do I feel like 30 years ago Karlyn would've been screaming at people on the subway and that would be the extent of her influence? Modern media is like a mental illness/personality disorder transmission vector.
I used to live in the Lincoln Park neighborhood in Chicago. There was a regular rider on a couple of the bus routes that went up and down Clark Street. Don't know her name but she'd give her...uh, dissertations on a daily basis. She made some good points at times! And then....yikes. But every dissertation was topped off with a nasal-labial mining and harvesting expedition. Ahhh...those were the days. Your comment reminded me of some good memories.
The explanation of Austrian economics seemed half-baked to me, and I don't think Katie transmitted how ill-considered these guys are by most everyone else in economics -- even hardcore libertarians such as Bryan Caplan are not that much into them (https://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/whyaust.htm). "People respond to incentives" is accepted by pretty much every serious economist I know of -- and, far from necessarily resulting in radical libertarianism, can be the basis for suggesting that government should align incentives in certain ways to improve both private and social outcomes (the whole "nudge" vibe of behavioral economists such as Richard Thaler).
If you are looking for a succinct description of the entire field of economics it is "individuals respond to incentives."
I was disappointed in J/Ks lack of prep in discussing the topic.
Katie totally called this one: Karlyn is going NUTS on twitter.
I knew KB would have diarrhea of the tweets over this. She is very, very preoccupied with how she is perceived.
Jesus, I wish I hadn't looked.
Yes, and it is delicious!
I am a Mainer currently in Illinois with Masshole Roots in Palmer and Lowell, as well as southern NH. NH is nice but sweet little towns like Hudson and Palmer are CRAZY expensive now from the Incomers taking over.
Now, I highly recommend A Libertarian Walks Into a Bear by Matthew Hongoltz-Hetling. It’s about a libertarian takeover of a small NH town (Grafton I believe- free state project related I think) and all that goes wrong, including bear attacks. Enjoy.
Yes, that book was great. Truth is stranger than fiction.
Sounds great. I'll look for it.
This woman should not be anywhere near pointy sticks.
Or indeed blunt ones.
I went through Landing Support training—which among other things involves managing the beach-head—at Camp LeJeune in 1986. Jesse wasn't there.
I actually noticed and followed Karlyn Borysenko when she first appeared on the social media scene. She was assertive and built a following really quickly around being someone who left the Left. Then I noticed how unpleasant she was becoming and unfollowed her. Now she's been operating at this crazy rant level for months.
You guys seem to have upset her, and she's doing a live stream about it. https://youtu.be/AW3MU2YmQUo
Holy shit. Ya, so I lasted about 2 minutes with that level of crazy and FYI I’ll be sending you my therapy bill.
Yeah, that took the fun out of it for me. She’s clearly unwell.
I watched it for a really long time probably for that reason? But my general impression was she was overreacting to Katie's reporting.
The live stream was three hours long when I went to bed on the west coast. She's deleted it for now, which is unlike her. She was also posting insulting tweets about Katie, which I've reported. Saying that Katie supports school boards that cover up the sexual abuse of children.
She said in today's live stream that last night's deleted live stream was six hours long and she didn't get to bed until 4:30 in the morning because she was "revved up." She deleted the six hour stream but has been posting it in bits and pieces on Youtube, minus the part where she encouraged her followers to email Katie and harass her.
Oh god, I feel like that link is an invite to rubberneck a train-wreck.
I'm not sure it was a good idea to focus a whole episode on someone who's clearly this mentally ill. It's just too easy to laugh at her antics and beliefs, and now she will have even more fodder for her deranged rants. Katie is probably right to be concerned about repercussions.
I was thinking the same thing, not because I have any real fears for L’s safety, but because there’s no way Karlyn wouldn’t see this as a hit piece, & I’m not sure if an entire episode focused on her is necessary (the knitting community story was, though). Am I saying the Libertarian Party isn’t important? No (but...).
K’s safety, not L.. autocorrect.
Agree. She may not be mentally ill, this all may just be her personality. I listened to the end of the episode this morning and I still don’t think she needed to be the topic of an entire episode, despite running for Congress.
Good point. But I think my concern about her, if not the diagnosis, is supported by the fact that she's already posted more than 50 tweets reacting to this episode, and apparently disclosed Katie's email address (though I think that only she has used it to harass Katie).
Her theology is from Neale Donald Walsh’s “conversations with god” trilogy
Maybe also Rosemary Althea and Sylvia Browne too?
It sure helps you to not feel sorry/responsible for all the suffering people out there.
"It sure helps you to not feel sorry/responsible for all the suffering people out there."
BOOM.
Another take might be that their suffering isn’t meant to be ignored, but that the presence of suffering makes others act to help? If there was no suffering & everyone was happy all the time, it’d be like one of the last episodes of The Good Life... boring.
Another take is that the suffering we inflict on anyone else is suffering we inflict on God.
And/or
suffering we inflict on other instances of ourself.
Either of those have good moral philosophies behind them to say "don't make other people suffer."
Mm, that sounds like that old time religion.
These are people who meditate to "manifest wealth". I don't hear much compassion from these quarters.
Walsh’s books are more of an offshoot of the Course in Miracles stuff (which is Marianne Williamson)
I actually did the course in miracles thing. Daily meditations for 365 days. I found it to be transformative- I really did! I told myself to ignore the woo woo and plow through.
The idea is that none of us are omnicient- and because we're not, we have no idea whether any event is good or bad for us in the end. Also that love is the only real thing, and we should forgive the people who hurt us.
It's been awhile since I read all of it- so I am super rusty.
I found it helpful in getting me through the blow-up of my absolute shitshow of a marriage. I told myself that if I had to go through all this crap I wanted to come out of it better than before. The course in miracles helped me to do that.
Of course I've backslid into the (mostly pleasant)mediocre person I have always been. Which is OK, I guess.
Yeah, conversations with god wasn’t unhelpful to me either in emerging from having grown up being theologically terrorized over being gay.
YES. Sylvia Browne, I think. I was really into reading about near death experiences (I’m too lazy to look this up at the moment, maybe she’s just a clairvoyant type?), and when J & K we’re talking about this I remembered reading something like that years ago.
Ahhhh, as someone addicted to reading about arcane belief systems, I thank you for the citation! I couldn't figure out where she was getting her ideas.
Here's a fascinating profile of Walsch for the curious: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-oct-27-et-walsch27-story.html
Young 19 year old me was once really into this flavor of nonsense.
It's also based on people who've had "Near Death Experiences" (NDE). Personally, it's the one thing said about this woman in the podcast where I agreed with her!
But NDEs are rubbish... no one's ever come back from brain death. Not to say that the qualia of the experience isn't real but it doesn't mean much other than brains are weird (which we know).
I've read a lot about NDE's, and have had a few patients who had strange stories to tell after being in a coma. Do you know of a specific book/person/interview where someone who has had a NDE talks about being "pre born" and choosing one's experience?
Yes, Natalie Sudman's book. It's great!
I don't think Karlyn's theology is that weird. It's a pretty standard part of most theologies that god decides to become human to learn what human suffering is like. Or that whatever process gives rise to consciousness decides to separate off and attach itself to individual primate brains in order to experience existence (including suffering) from their viewpoint.
I'm too agnostic to think "Sure. That's how it works." but it's certainly not weirder than "Women were made from a man's rib."
You cannot just walk past the "Twin Flames" reference. Those people are fucking nuts https://wondery.com/shows/twin-flames/
Also I'm certain Karlyn chose to live her life not as a Hitler or a an oppressed and tortured person, but just as a moron. When she goes back to God she needs to do better.
What a great episode. I had to listen to it twice; partly due to laughter, partly due to the craziness of these people and their behaviour.
I often wonder if my life would be better if I had zero insight to my own faults and weirdness, because those that do seem to be very convinced of their own perfection. I bet they sleep like babies at night, while I'm awake second guessing my every move sometimes.
Keep up the good work, you guys.
I wish the same. Must be a blissful life!
I don't remember specifics, but I'm pretty sure there's an economic theory connected to libertarianism (though maybe not the Austrian flavor) according to which unemployment happens when people value leisure over work. I was thinking about that the whole episode, and I think it sheds some light on the whole "people who suffer do because it was their spirits' choice" thing. Part of the libertarian ethos seems to be "you get what you deserve," and this seems to be an extreme version of this idea: whatever bad happens to you, blame your stupid spiritual self, not racism, politics, economics, or even sheer dumb luck.
I know I'm going nuts with the comments, but I worked for Liberty Magazine from 1993-2000 (and wrote for it occasionally until 2005) and I heard about this kind of stuff on a daily basis. The precursor to the current LP struggle was the race for the 1988 LP nomination between Ron Paul and Russell Means(of the American Indian Movement). Pretty sure that Liberty has several articles on the subject between 1987-1989.
The thing that struck me about her weird spiritual beliefs was that they’re weird in a very left-coded, hippie-ish way—all that “we are the universe understanding itself” and reincarnation is hardly right-wing…
A hypothesis: K Borysenko chose, before she was born, to become the human manifestion of Sonny the Coco Puff bird, but without a tasty, sugary cereal to sell!
Not a huge deal, but the clip you guys shared from your primo episode regarding the 2016 debate misidentifies people as Mises caucus members. That Toaster guy is Darryl Perry and he’s a radical LP member, but he actually hates the Mises Caucus.
There are also some Libertarian Party members who oppose the Mises Caucus backed Libertarian nominees and are running in New Hampshire against them as independents. Kind of interesting.
Karlyn said she is going to sign up Katie's email for every kind of spam until the email is not usable as "retribution." She said she won't get violent against Katie but will continue talking about her out of "spite."
Borysenko went from being a kind of corporate self-promoter to full on grifter pretty quickly. I remember hearing her name back during the #WalkAway drama and going "wait, where have I heard that name before?"
I used to work in higher education marketing and she was a regular presenter at these conferences: https://leadership.highedweb.org/schedule/session/
https://2019.highedweb.org/session/playing-politics-the-psychology-of-the-human-workplace/
Her old consulting site is still up and it's still linked to her hilarious and unhinged Twitter account: https://zenworkplace.com/
Pretty vanilla/normie stuff. There's a weird corporate wellness-to-QAnon funnel though, and drkarlynb fell right in the center of it. Now she's the Zelig of fringe political nonsense.
Great episode on Karlyn. I recall seeing her videos during the apex of the 'white fragility' stuff. And as excessive as I think some of that stuff was, she struck me as the type of angry that would be a useful data point for anyone wanting to prove that white fragiltiy exists. Her level of anger was not only outrageous and unhelpful, but it was clearly personal.
Okay, I want you all to hear me out. A really good supplement to this episode - as it is about a cult of personality - is a recent video by none other than... Lauren Southern. Now, I loathe Southern and just about everything she stands for. But as some might know, she stepped away from her conservative youtubing for a few years, and just made a video "manifesto" on why she left. And she really spilled the tea in a way that dovetails really nicely with this Karlyn vid. Essentially, she says that one thing she noticed in conservative youtube is that for the youtubers, it is all about brand and ego and probably less about any principle. She notes that it takes a certain type of (self-assertive) person to be a youtuber (especially with a controversial stance), and how shitty some of those people tend to be. Well, if what is said about Karlyn here is true - and I have every reason to think it is - I think everything in Southern's analysis applies. I do not recommend Southern, but recommend her video on why she left conservative youtube.
I should probably also note that the first vid I saw of Karlyn's was the one about attending the Trump rally, that I think coincided with her article. It was laughable even then. It amounted to "Hey, I thought they'd all be racists, but they weren't. That alone changed my mind and made me pro-Trump." But how good a reason to support a politician is "Well, his supporters are not vile racists?" If Karlyn thought that was a good reason, it tells you all you need to know about her.
bottom line: how "prag" is it to try to get wokesters to vote Libertarian?
We will have an anarchist utopia before progressives vote Libertarian.
It is very weird right now reading Borysenko’s tweets in tandem with Erin Overbey’s. Language is very similar but EO is a mainstream journalist (shades of Sonmez?)
here she comes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGA2uPOFUM
It seems the gotcha she's concentrating on is that Katie supported a school board that covered up a sexual assault by a teacher. The school reported the teacher to the Dept of Education and encouraged the parents to contact the police and press charges, which is about the opposite of covering it up. Katie didn't really do much to support the school board either, just saying that Karlyn was a bit unhinged at a meeting.
I wonder how long her rant about this is going to last. I mean, it's easy to ignore her, just avoid her on YouTube and block her on Twitter and it'll be like she doesn't exist. Still, I'm betting she has the energy to keep this up for a while.
Yes, Katie might feature in her rants for months and months., judging by her obsessive rants about other people on her enemies' list. Karlyn is intelligent to know that she's making a completely disingenuous argument about Katie supporting sexual misconduct in teachers, but she is a special kind of crazy. High functioning crazy. I don't know how long the New Hampshire Libertarian party will put up with her.
the disingenuous argument is that since Katie accurately reported that Karlyn was banned from attending any future school board meetings because she attended one and yelled "we know where you live" at the trustees, THEREFORE Katie must be in favor of anything bad which occurred in that school district.
Karlyn is doing a live now as I type this. Yet another rant about how it's okay for her to go after Katie.
She's doing a live stream reacting to her earlier live stream. The crazy eyes.
She just talked about Katie having "fragile feelings" yet Karlyn is 1+ hours into today's rant after the 6 hour emotional meltdown last night. And I am thoroughly amused.
If there is anything Katie isn't, it is emotionally fragile.
Except, perhaps, when it comes to Moose.
Hey, who isn't emotionally fragile when it comes to Moose? We all hold him, and his balls, close to our hearts.
Katie’s 2-tweet response to Karlyn’s barrage of tweets and livestreams is perfect. https://twitter.com/kittypurrzog/status/1551389348381175808?s=21&t=VofdLGmVTdECO54sU7EU0Q
I feel bad for admitting it, but I'm hoping there is a highlights reel planned for this. It'll be Jessie's turn of course.
LMAO at the thought of Pewaukee, WI being a center of political craziness. For those that haven't been, let me give you an idea. Mostly single family housing, lots of young families, a nice lake with pontoon boat rentals in the summer, spread out enough that you pretty much need a car. It's basically the place where you will find the most moderate types of Dems/Repubs who just want to grill with the neighbors and go out on the lake.
Greens better watch out: this ultra grifter will be her way to you in Dec
Of course, the best moment from the Libertarian National Convention was when that guy took his clothes off and danced on stage. Far out.
How you record an episode 15 now but look up a bunch of stories from that time period from a current perspective.
Also say "for no reason, I'm really worried about pandemics and think the government should spend money preparing for them"
Fantastic episode. I had only heard Karlyn before from her interview with Ben Boyce a few years ago. It was a really good conversation, and she came across as very well reasoned and interesting. I was recently wondering what became of her. What a journey!
Oh my god, I got almost all the way to the end of the episode before I realized who Karlyn is. I looked into her fallout with Mikey Harlow and Keri Smith when Smith Tweeted about it, and watched some of Karlyn’s videos. She’s completely nuts, of course, but I had no idea about the souls-choose-to-be-genocided thing. Wild! NH, look out.
Micro/Macroaggression Confession: Growing up in California, I used to go to the beach and tan a lot. Moving to Washington State was my way of "doing better".
Jesse invents a new word starting with “in...” at 7:23.
Related to the libertarian infighting, is anyone here watching Anarchapulco?
As a native Mainer, I think New Hampshire sucks but then again, look what our state elected.
Alternate title: Eightweenthses For Us Mises
Just listening to this episode now. Karlyn’s belief system starts with Jewish mysticism and ends with Scientology, with some Hinduism thrown in. Jewish ppl needed the Holocaust to learn how oppression felt?? Has she ever studied history?? Any history?!?!
The Mises caucus didn’t exist in 2016, and Daryl W Perry (the second person in the debate clip) is VERY against the Mises caucus and has been from the start. His wife considers herself a witch and has been doing recoccuring hexes on the Mises caucus and had a bounty out for caucus leadership hair to curse them.
Hi Katie! I've now thoroughly documented all of the problems with your timeline and narrative regarding when, why and how I joined the Libertarian party. I also want to to note (for your listeners) that I emailed you asking for comment and if you still stick by your reporting. Funnily enough, you didn't bother to respond to any of my questions.
Anyway, here's all the evidence: https://karlyn.substack.com/p/katie-herzog-is-a-coward-that-doesnt
Hi Katie!
I'm wondering if you have comments on the fact that you ignored evidence that, in regard to the school board meeting, I was engaging in organized protests with the LPNH because the school was covering up that teachers were molesting students. I've documented all of the evidence here that you refused to tell people when you claimed I acted like a lone nutjob: https://karlyn.substack.com/p/journalist-katie-herzog-believes
In addition, I'm wondering if you have comments about the fact that you claimed I "exaggerated" the claim that I was chased by a black lives matter mob? You claimed it was just impossible for you to find videos of the incident but I managed to find four of them within about 10 minutes of searching: https://karlyn.substack.com/p/proof-that-journalist-katie-herzog
I'll continue debunking the lies you told in this podcast. More questions coming!
Go away. You can scream at Katie on Twitter since that’s your thing. Everyone here has her back, yours not so much.
As long as you admit that you don't care about the truth and refuse to look at any evidence that directly contradicts your perceptions, that's good enough for me. But the reality is that I paid my $5 to be here to listen to this smear piece and I'll comment as much as I like unless they want to refund my money.
I think you will have better results if you pick the one issue where you think you have the best evidence that doesn't require someone to sift through stuff, and work from there.
Like, it seems that you have a good claim that BLM confronted you and can back it up. When people hear "chased" they imagine running, but even being followed around at walking speed by a group that won't leave you alone is concerning.
This is precisely why I'm picking one issue per piece - because Katie told so many lies that it is impossible to document everything at once.
I was walking (a) because my shoe had come untied and I was honestly terrified that I was going to trip and fall and get the shit kicked out of me and (b) because I was trying to stay relatively near the rest of the group behind me to document what was happening. I didn't see the media recording us when it was going on, I only realized they had later.
Hey Jesse, I don't know where else to talk about this but have you ever considered talking about Timothy Faust? He seems to really, really hate you so I'm curious if you have any responses to the stuff he says.
This was easily one of the best episodes you guys have ever done.
Where's the link to the libertarian dude with the mullet making the toaster license comparison?
I want to mainline Free Stater content all day. Don’t stop. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/10/us/croydon-free-state-politics.html?referringSource=articleShare
https://www.nysun.com/article/a-libertarian-leaning-crypto-celebrity-seeks-to-shake-up-new-hampshires-senate-primary
https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2022-01-21/nh-secession-free-state-us-state-house
https://apnews.com/article/campaigns-new-hampshire-police-archive-vandalism-e1580367018108b09755dfb994395c0a
It's odd that she doesn't have a name or a label for her spiritual beliefs. Doesn't everybody with a set of spiritual beliefs have a name for it? She also doesn't say where she acquired these beliefs. Are they her own beliefs or picked up from some guru. She believes in a certain form of reincarnation.
> It's odd that she doesn't have a name or a label for her spiritual beliefs
It's a common new-age belief. Here are some ones that are similar to it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversations_with_God#Parallels_in_other_belief_systems
*edit* I see people have already referenced Walsch, which makes sense as I'm a week late to this episode
Relevant—the Free State Project New Hampshire: https://www.fsp.org/mission/
Not related to the episode exactly, but it's been on my mind... The CYOA horror game The Quarry has a fictional podcast called "Bizarre yet Bonafide" and I recommend you and Jesse listen to it because it made me think of you two - but with a horror element! :) Same energy!
Oh barf! She was the only female superhero we had on tv back then and her whole schtick was wearing corsets with her boobs pushed up under her chin and running in slow motion. Oh and allusions to bondage with her magic lasso to titillate 12 year old boys. If my eyes roll any harder they’ll pop out!
When a natal male insists on changing with the girls I immediately think autogynephile. They're the ones who really want to flash their "girl cocks" in front of Brownie troops.