Yes, I would have liked to have heard more about that too. I noticed that there was a not very well concealed and venous misogyny about how a lot of the male defenders of Johnny Depp responded to that case. It was interesting to me that a lot of his female defenders said something like "I was in an abusive relationship, and the way AH …
Yes, I would have liked to have heard more about that too. I noticed that there was a not very well concealed and venous misogyny about how a lot of the male defenders of Johnny Depp responded to that case. It was interesting to me that a lot of his female defenders said something like "I was in an abusive relationship, and the way AH behaved reminds me of my abuser, and the way Johnny responded reminded me of myself, men can be abused too." While a lot of the men said about Herd v Depp some variant of "bitch got what she deserved, unlike my wife. Good to see a woman getting destroyed." I believe that it was probably a mutually abusive relationship, where he was more the victim then her, and if not then he was the victim, but the level of misogyny among the men celebrating his victory I found disturbing and ugly.
Yes I think the male Depp defenders are often pretty suss. You have someone like Jesse who I believe has had a ton of ridiculous allegations lodged against him from trans women, and as far as I remember, I hasn’t tried to defame and destroy those people or called them all disgusting, liars, t-slurs, etc. He’s just like uh nope that’s Not Correct and here’s proof.
I also note it’s a 🚩for me when a man calls a woman disgusting, or a bitch, etc., rather than criticize her actions. But call me nitpicky.
It sounds like honest trailer guy is maybe a classic little grifter who is trying to capitalize on highly emotional trending topics. Good to point out the nuance of the story and how the evidence against him is at the very least not legally credible, and you could argue that’s made him desperate and therefore his content worse. I just don’t think I’ll be subscribing to his Substack lol.
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Side note bc I can’t resist continuing this discourse against my better judgement: I am extreeeeeemely skeptical of the JD narrative, and find it pretty unlikely that AH was the primary abuser based on the evidence I’ve seen and the knowledge I have about coercive control. Doesn’t mean men can’t be abused o b v i o u s l y. JD’s lack of willingness to take responsibility for ANYTHING from the jump, even when there’s proof, while Heard readily confessed to wrongdoing is right in line with that behavior. But I’m sooo burnt out on that topic and I know a ton of others are as well, whether they agree with my interpretation of events or not.
Throughout the entire saga, I was reluctant to ascribe any larger societal meaning and I'm still reluctant to do so. It seems that BOTH Heard and Depp are deeply troubled people who are simply bad for each other. Pre-existing personal issues were exacerbated by their coupling.
It's entirely possible that 5 years from now, Depp gets clean, meets a normie and lives out his sunset years in peace. Heard could meet some normie her own age who does not have substance abuse problems and doesn't accuse her of crapping the bed.
All the talk of of misogyny, misandry, toxic femininity/masculinity seemed like a lot of projection.
Of course it's impossible to really know what happened between those two without watching the whole trial, which I didn't do, because I found the few snippets that I did see distasteful and disturbing. I understand that JD's team did a good job of presenting a lot of evidence for Amber's violence and lying, and his victimhood and that people who watched the whole thing (including the jury) found this compelling. I'm willing to cautiously go with that, with the huge caveat that they're both actors, and it may be that he just had a better legal team and prepped better for "the role" then she did.
Yes, I would have liked to have heard more about that too. I noticed that there was a not very well concealed and venous misogyny about how a lot of the male defenders of Johnny Depp responded to that case. It was interesting to me that a lot of his female defenders said something like "I was in an abusive relationship, and the way AH behaved reminds me of my abuser, and the way Johnny responded reminded me of myself, men can be abused too." While a lot of the men said about Herd v Depp some variant of "bitch got what she deserved, unlike my wife. Good to see a woman getting destroyed." I believe that it was probably a mutually abusive relationship, where he was more the victim then her, and if not then he was the victim, but the level of misogyny among the men celebrating his victory I found disturbing and ugly.
Yes I think the male Depp defenders are often pretty suss. You have someone like Jesse who I believe has had a ton of ridiculous allegations lodged against him from trans women, and as far as I remember, I hasn’t tried to defame and destroy those people or called them all disgusting, liars, t-slurs, etc. He’s just like uh nope that’s Not Correct and here’s proof.
I also note it’s a 🚩for me when a man calls a woman disgusting, or a bitch, etc., rather than criticize her actions. But call me nitpicky.
It sounds like honest trailer guy is maybe a classic little grifter who is trying to capitalize on highly emotional trending topics. Good to point out the nuance of the story and how the evidence against him is at the very least not legally credible, and you could argue that’s made him desperate and therefore his content worse. I just don’t think I’ll be subscribing to his Substack lol.
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Side note bc I can’t resist continuing this discourse against my better judgement: I am extreeeeeemely skeptical of the JD narrative, and find it pretty unlikely that AH was the primary abuser based on the evidence I’ve seen and the knowledge I have about coercive control. Doesn’t mean men can’t be abused o b v i o u s l y. JD’s lack of willingness to take responsibility for ANYTHING from the jump, even when there’s proof, while Heard readily confessed to wrongdoing is right in line with that behavior. But I’m sooo burnt out on that topic and I know a ton of others are as well, whether they agree with my interpretation of events or not.
Throughout the entire saga, I was reluctant to ascribe any larger societal meaning and I'm still reluctant to do so. It seems that BOTH Heard and Depp are deeply troubled people who are simply bad for each other. Pre-existing personal issues were exacerbated by their coupling.
It's entirely possible that 5 years from now, Depp gets clean, meets a normie and lives out his sunset years in peace. Heard could meet some normie her own age who does not have substance abuse problems and doesn't accuse her of crapping the bed.
All the talk of of misogyny, misandry, toxic femininity/masculinity seemed like a lot of projection.
Of course it's impossible to really know what happened between those two without watching the whole trial, which I didn't do, because I found the few snippets that I did see distasteful and disturbing. I understand that JD's team did a good job of presenting a lot of evidence for Amber's violence and lying, and his victimhood and that people who watched the whole thing (including the jury) found this compelling. I'm willing to cautiously go with that, with the huge caveat that they're both actors, and it may be that he just had a better legal team and prepped better for "the role" then she did.