It's like when you accidentally sat somewhere near the cool hot girls on the bus, and could eavesdrop. And it was thrilling and terrifying, to hear them being just as cruel and clever and vicious and vain as you always suspected.
Thanks for this! Fascinating to be a paid subscriber in both communities—-FdB can be pretty dismissive of his own fan base as well.
I would love to see Freddie on Blocked & Reported. Jessie has supported Freddie in many ways & I believe that Freddie generally likes Jessie but he is so darn harsh!!
Freddie is a fascinating thinker & a really incredible writer at his best. But he is constantly striking out against people who have allied themselves with him.
I feel that Jessie still has a lot of respect & affection for Freddie. But that is the way Jessie traverses a world of adversarial people.
I think Freddie has a lot of internal conflict. Like when he thinks things through he often comes to pretty reasonable positions. Like his position on compulsory treatment for mentally ill patients that are a risk to themselves and the public.
But then when that exact same conclusion is reflected back to him by someone else, he seems to have this spate of cognitive dissonance that makes him realize it's a very _not_ in line with the progressive zeitgeist and he lashes out at the person.
Same. I don’t think there is another person I vehemently disagree with or wholeheartedly agree with on depending on the topic he covers. FWIW, another commenter posted a screenshot of FdB’s comment.
To be fair, rats and mice will chew on wires regardless of there being soy in the insulation. Wiring in homes does not contain soy insulation and rodent damage is still a frequent occurrence. They chew on everything becuase their teeth never stop growing and wires are often shoved in tight spaces where you find rats and mice.
The problem with Yarvin is not that he's a fascist but that he's a midwit. As a midwit, his work in the humanities appeals to much more intelligent stemcels who, because they are capable of grasping his points, imagine they have conquered the humanities as well. They'll never be able to come to grips with Ezra Pound, but Mencius Moldbug contents then with the delusion that the well is shallow and everything beyond their reach is empty obscurantism.
My guns were entirely pointed at academia. I read history all the time. Literally this weekend I was reading a book about the Indo European spread and Yamana culture.
The study of history is great I read history books all the time.
Though these days you need to often stick to older ones because the more recent ones are all filled with ahistorical wishcasting about women warriors or completely silly claims like “black peoples in England were actually super normalizing in the 1200s and no one was as racist at all”. Assuming that people who often had deep racial hatreds of people who loved 20 miles down the “road” were just totally 100% fine with the random Musilman they saw once a year…which ummm yeah.
Anyway, I was a philosophy major and have read history books all my life, like dozens a year. But the humanities themselves are pretty boring/shallow and frankly religious in tone these days.
I actually understand what Katie’s talking about when she says she misses the peak-woke days. I’m very glad that the cancellations have died down and that some semblance of sanity is returning, but there was a sense of solidarity within the heterodox world that’s missing now. Everyone’s turned on each other.
On a related note, it’s becoming clear that the Redscare girls really live in Katie’s head rent-free. I didn’t realize she cared so much about them until recently.
I don't believe your audience is groypers, but based on my brief forays into the reddit, your audience is significantly more anti-trans than the hosts are. I would say the audience is more negatively-polarized "anti-woke" than it is people with a specific politics that aren't represented by mainstream left and right.
I haven't read the subreddit in forever, since I hate reddit and this forum exists, but my impression back in the day is that the commenting audience was more terfy because it tended to have more radfem types. But also I think the nature of the argument and the abuse they take has pushed some of the people who were more moderate but discussed the issues openly and are bothered by some of the more extreme TRA positions (and the Dems on the issue) to become more radicalized. I am glad this has not happened with J&K.
Thanks, I was wondering what Freddie had said about us groypers!
The funny thing is that Freddie's comment section would be a hive of right wingers (certainly by his standards!) if he didn't shut down comments every time someone says something he doesn't like.
I agree this audience is red pilled and they are at least a little bit audience captured (katie more than jesse), but his comment is pretty unhinged and over the top. I have never read Freddie's writing, so i don't if this is just how he is in the comments and would be much much more reasonable in conversation. The commented sounded pretty personal and mean, like maybe he doesn't like you guys anymore
That comment about the audience being entirely Groypers made me roll my eyes. I'm a cringe resistancey liberal who door-knocked for Kamala and I'm a near-day 1 BARPod listener/Primo. I agree that there are plenty of red-pill types in the comment sections, and I just don't engage with them because I dislike internet fights. At the same time, I get a lot of intellectual value from this podcast and the conversations it sparks. I'm sure there are many others like me that aren't as visible as the ones FdB is talking about.
He's an excellent writer on a narrow range of topics. Unfortunately he goes outside that range all the time and can't tolerate even the politest dissenting opinions.
He has contempt for his own audience so it's no surprise he doesn't like Katie and Jesse's either.
If you took a survey of BaRPod Primos, you really think there's more than a dozen Trump voters?
Your formulation of audience capture reads as "Katie has center right-leaning views with which I disagree". I've never heard anyone complain about audience capture when they agree with the host.
They took a survey and it was something like 12% voted for trump in the last election. But I don't think that really captures the red pilling effect. It is like the free press having a balanced newsroom because they had a near even split between trump, harris and third party voters. What that doesn't show everyone there is on degree disillusionment with left, which is what their coverage centers around. Everyone moves right and their audience is further right than the contributors, so they help exert that pressure. Barpod experiences that too, just to a lesser extent.
My formulation is not based on Katie's politics. It is based how the audience reacts to certain subjects and how the hosts respond to their audience. They touch on some hard right figures, but when they do too much trump talk the audience will complain and the hosts will listen. Never happens in the other direction. The audience craves stories that feed into left wing disillusionment narrative.
The Overton shifts to the right, not to the left. I have seen plenty of commentors express pretty hard right views and get a lot of support and a little push back. Again, doesn't happen the other way. The Overton window to the left is center left at best. If you voice support for establishment lib views, you will get push harder pushback than further right views (to an extent of course).
FdBs comment is really something. I feel sorry for him. He seems perpetually angry. Which is a shame because I understand what triggered him. I found Jesse's piece also weak and it displays a similar ignorance he showed in this episode when he says judging poetry is purely subjective.
There is a lot of craft and skill that goes into good art. The price winning adam and eve poem was bad because it displayed very little of it. The problem is that we are living in times where craft is not valued. This is why poems like this win awards ... Because people like Jesse insist that it is purely subjective.
I definitely knew people like yarvis growing up. Not the fascism part, but the way too confident in their own intellect part. Their always looking for the biggest, most colorful words and sit right up front in class and annoy the shit out of the teacher because they truly believe their the smartest person in the room. Usually they're socially a little off, but not overly so. They just have 0 self awareness and are total narcissist.
I don't feel like yarvis found his way to fascism through deep intellectual thought, but more through constant desire to be the smartest person in the room that leads to more fringe and contrarian thinking. And of course he can't just be straightforward and boring with his beliefs, he has to approach everything obliquely with overly colorful language and sprinkled historical references that aren't tied to anything. After you drill through all crap, you realize he is just spewing standard fascist views and is a really boring thinker.
Out of curiosity, where did you become familiar with Yarvin? I'd barely heard of him -- well, I'd heard the name and knew he was supposed to be an influence on Theil and Vance and other techbro types and knew he was a monarchist (which is just bizarre), so basically dismissed him. Yet both B&R and the 5th Column discussed him in their latest.
Decoding the gurus covered him, which i listen to regularly. He was also interviewed by the new york times and the daily. I was also aware of him from loosely following figures in the new right, like Theil and Vance. He was gaining more prominence as the right has moved further right and is unfortunately influential in that movement.
Ah, that explains it. I find the guru show annoying in that they seem to overrate the influence of the people they cover and to spend way too much time on people who strike me as just uninteresting.
I mean, i don't think brought much notoriety to yarvin if that's your point. He hsd had much more mainstream coversge.
I don't find that there's much overlap between the two audience, although one of the hosts listens to this show and is generally a fan it seems. I think jesse is a fan of there show and was on to talk about his book. They are pretty hard on a lot heterdox influencers, but they cover range of people. I think they do a good job contextualizing people and are good at drilling down on bull shit rhetoric. But obviously opinions can differ.
I know other people I generally respect (and largely agree with on things) who enjoy the show. I just found it tedious when I tried it since mostly they cover people I am not interested in and my impression has been that they overrate how politically-influential the people are (for a while it seemed like they talked endlessly about the Weinsteins). Also, although I'm not a fan of Brene Brown or whatever her name is, that was one of the shows I tried and they were making generalizations about Americans and arguing that shame is good without even trying to understand what it seemed obvious Brown was saying in a way that annoyed me. (I think shame as she uses it anyway definitely can prevent people from doing healthy things vs simply preventing bad behavior, as they seemed to think.)
Anyway, no, I don't think the gurus show made him well-known, it just seemed to make sense as to why you would know what his various positions are.
It was nice to hear Katie and Jesse mention the Philadelphia show. I was there and immediately noticed that the staff was made up of mostly people/women of color. I also recall thinking the audio was too loud which happened to be recordings of an angry black woman that a white audience was laughing at. It was...awkward.
Edit: in case Jesse or Katie read this, if you do West coast shows with the same story from Katie then Jesse needs his own to tell. Like you did on the first tour. If not, the very least is have Ben Dreyfuss on stage the first half of the show.
You should have kept Yarvin's name out of the title just for the jumpscare when he appears in a story about lib poetry bullshit. It's like watching some random movie and halfway through Darth Vader appears.
Not sure if knowledge of his genius has ever reached the US, but it’s generally accepted in the UK that the worst poet in the English language is William McGonagall.
Was the Freddie beef public (i.e. online) or private? If it was public, can someone fill the rest of us in on what happened?
The Cathedral is basically just the Deep State. Until today, I’d only heard Michael Malice use it. Curtis Yarvin doesn’t sound anywhere near as entertaining as MM though.
I almost never call anyone a grifter because I think most people believe what they’re selling. . . but I don’t know how else to describe Richard Hanania. He voted for Trump three times, then turned around a couple months later and tried to re-market himself as the anti-MAGA messiah. The guy’s an absolute clown.
Jesse wrote a piece on his Substack, part of which was about theorists like Foucault, who maybe aren’t worth reading after all. FdB wrote a scathing comment, calling it undergrad, calling Katie racist, and their podcast audience Nick Fuentes fans. Absolutely no points were made about what, exactly, he disagreed with. Just ad hominem. Jesse invited him onto the podcast. Jesse asked what Katie said that was racist. No public reply. Meanwhile, Jesse’s readers chimed in asking FdB why he was flipping out.
I feel badly for Freddie, because I think his meds clearly aren't fully extinguishing his mood swings, and--not being his psychiatrist--I don't know whether he needs more titration or more people in his life who can make him log off.
Chad's poem: https://chatgpt.com/share/6933aa50-f204-800c-9d7f-074c81d62e9b
Trite, but not as trite as most of what comes out of MFA seminars! At least it has meter (she typed with her Robert Frostiest curmudgeonliness).
The day I never have to hear about the red scare girls can’t come soon enough
I still don't understand their appeal. They never actually seem to say anything, and they say nothing at great length.
It's like when you accidentally sat somewhere near the cool hot girls on the bus, and could eavesdrop. And it was thrilling and terrifying, to hear them being just as cruel and clever and vicious and vain as you always suspected.
love them
always will
Freddie DeBouer is a pathetic simulacrum of a man
Big “not like other men” energy
does anyone know where he said we are groypers??
Comment section of a recent Singal Minded post. You have to scroll pretty far down.
https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/why-it-is-maybe-safe-to-conclude?r=4y8ce6&utm_medium=ios
Thanks for this! Fascinating to be a paid subscriber in both communities—-FdB can be pretty dismissive of his own fan base as well.
I would love to see Freddie on Blocked & Reported. Jessie has supported Freddie in many ways & I believe that Freddie generally likes Jessie but he is so darn harsh!!
Freddie is a fascinating thinker & a really incredible writer at his best. But he is constantly striking out against people who have allied themselves with him.
I feel that Jessie still has a lot of respect & affection for Freddie. But that is the way Jessie traverses a world of adversarial people.
I think Freddie has a lot of internal conflict. Like when he thinks things through he often comes to pretty reasonable positions. Like his position on compulsory treatment for mentally ill patients that are a risk to themselves and the public.
But then when that exact same conclusion is reflected back to him by someone else, he seems to have this spate of cognitive dissonance that makes him realize it's a very _not_ in line with the progressive zeitgeist and he lashes out at the person.
Agreed!!!
aw thanks
i don’t sub to Jesse so i can see
oh well
I have a real love hate with FdB
Same. I don’t think there is another person I vehemently disagree with or wholeheartedly agree with on depending on the topic he covers. FWIW, another commenter posted a screenshot of FdB’s comment.
I also have that feeling with FdB—he is internally polarizing for me.
They honestly shoulda linked to it in the show notes.
Man, I cannot wait for the Morning Glory Milking Farm episode.
Poor Jesse. Katie’s gonna make him read the excerpts on-mike, you just know.
Additional revenge for the Ana Valens breeding facility clip, no doubt.
To be fair, rats and mice will chew on wires regardless of there being soy in the insulation. Wiring in homes does not contain soy insulation and rodent damage is still a frequent occurrence. They chew on everything becuase their teeth never stop growing and wires are often shoved in tight spaces where you find rats and mice.
Yeah, manuals for rabbit owners warn you about this tendency for the safety of pets.
I managed to keep my childhood pet bunnies away from wires, but they were always finding stray Playmobil and chewing the hands and feet off.
My kids also do this.
Yah they're dicks like that.
The problem with Yarvin is not that he's a fascist but that he's a midwit. As a midwit, his work in the humanities appeals to much more intelligent stemcels who, because they are capable of grasping his points, imagine they have conquered the humanities as well. They'll never be able to come to grips with Ezra Pound, but Mencius Moldbug contents then with the delusion that the well is shallow and everything beyond their reach is empty obscurantism.
I mean the humanities are pretty shallow.
Say that about the real content (like a John Donne poem), as opposed to secondary academic criticism, and I will fight you!
My guns were entirely pointed at academia. I read history all the time. Literally this weekend I was reading a book about the Indo European spread and Yamana culture.
Oh, cool then, fire away! What was the book? Sounds like my kind of thing.
Jim Mallory: The Indo-Europeans Rediscovered: How a Scientific Revolution is Rewriting Their Story
the study of history is shallow?
The study of history is great I read history books all the time.
Though these days you need to often stick to older ones because the more recent ones are all filled with ahistorical wishcasting about women warriors or completely silly claims like “black peoples in England were actually super normalizing in the 1200s and no one was as racist at all”. Assuming that people who often had deep racial hatreds of people who loved 20 miles down the “road” were just totally 100% fine with the random Musilman they saw once a year…which ummm yeah.
Anyway, I was a philosophy major and have read history books all my life, like dozens a year. But the humanities themselves are pretty boring/shallow and frankly religious in tone these days.
Less an academic place and more a monastery.
A good recent history book is Inventing the Renaissance by Ada Palmer.
This is mad true.
Pretty good discussion about him on the latest 5th Column that took a similar POV.
I actually understand what Katie’s talking about when she says she misses the peak-woke days. I’m very glad that the cancellations have died down and that some semblance of sanity is returning, but there was a sense of solidarity within the heterodox world that’s missing now. Everyone’s turned on each other.
On a related note, it’s becoming clear that the Redscare girls really live in Katie’s head rent-free. I didn’t realize she cared so much about them until recently.
I don't believe your audience is groypers, but based on my brief forays into the reddit, your audience is significantly more anti-trans than the hosts are. I would say the audience is more negatively-polarized "anti-woke" than it is people with a specific politics that aren't represented by mainstream left and right.
The subreddit has a high mouthbreather contingent.
I haven't read the subreddit in forever, since I hate reddit and this forum exists, but my impression back in the day is that the commenting audience was more terfy because it tended to have more radfem types. But also I think the nature of the argument and the abuse they take has pushed some of the people who were more moderate but discussed the issues openly and are bothered by some of the more extreme TRA positions (and the Dems on the issue) to become more radicalized. I am glad this has not happened with J&K.
As your only catalan primo I can confirm we are not white.
Here is a photo of our representatives for proof:
https://cdn-acn.watchity.net/acn/images/02d9c2f5-585c-4d89-bb3e-c38b540f9f8a/a3b60949-7534-4064-994b-daa5feb7cfac.jpg
Creme Catalans.
They look Hispanic but not LatinX.
After dollarsandsense filled me in on the Freddie vs. Jesse feud, I was able to find one guy who posted a screenshot:
https://substack.com/@keese/note/c-182830602?r=17d35g&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
Thanks, I was wondering what Freddie had said about us groypers!
The funny thing is that Freddie's comment section would be a hive of right wingers (certainly by his standards!) if he didn't shut down comments every time someone says something he doesn't like.
I agree this audience is red pilled and they are at least a little bit audience captured (katie more than jesse), but his comment is pretty unhinged and over the top. I have never read Freddie's writing, so i don't if this is just how he is in the comments and would be much much more reasonable in conversation. The commented sounded pretty personal and mean, like maybe he doesn't like you guys anymore
That comment about the audience being entirely Groypers made me roll my eyes. I'm a cringe resistancey liberal who door-knocked for Kamala and I'm a near-day 1 BARPod listener/Primo. I agree that there are plenty of red-pill types in the comment sections, and I just don't engage with them because I dislike internet fights. At the same time, I get a lot of intellectual value from this podcast and the conversations it sparks. I'm sure there are many others like me that aren't as visible as the ones FdB is talking about.
He's an excellent writer on a narrow range of topics. Unfortunately he goes outside that range all the time and can't tolerate even the politest dissenting opinions.
He has contempt for his own audience so it's no surprise he doesn't like Katie and Jesse's either.
Freddie is an emotionally unstable man whose writing always comes across to me as angry. These sorts of outbursts are something he does periodically.
If you took a survey of BaRPod Primos, you really think there's more than a dozen Trump voters?
Your formulation of audience capture reads as "Katie has center right-leaning views with which I disagree". I've never heard anyone complain about audience capture when they agree with the host.
They took a survey and it was something like 12% voted for trump in the last election. But I don't think that really captures the red pilling effect. It is like the free press having a balanced newsroom because they had a near even split between trump, harris and third party voters. What that doesn't show everyone there is on degree disillusionment with left, which is what their coverage centers around. Everyone moves right and their audience is further right than the contributors, so they help exert that pressure. Barpod experiences that too, just to a lesser extent.
My formulation is not based on Katie's politics. It is based how the audience reacts to certain subjects and how the hosts respond to their audience. They touch on some hard right figures, but when they do too much trump talk the audience will complain and the hosts will listen. Never happens in the other direction. The audience craves stories that feed into left wing disillusionment narrative.
The Overton shifts to the right, not to the left. I have seen plenty of commentors express pretty hard right views and get a lot of support and a little push back. Again, doesn't happen the other way. The Overton window to the left is center left at best. If you voice support for establishment lib views, you will get push harder pushback than further right views (to an extent of course).
A survey of Primos, probably 80% Democrat.
A survey of regular commenters, probably like 50% - 60% in my estimation.
A survey of Bar Pod Reddit posters...
Freddie’s in his “picking fights with absolutely everyone” era and there’s no way it’s going to end well
FdBs comment is really something. I feel sorry for him. He seems perpetually angry. Which is a shame because I understand what triggered him. I found Jesse's piece also weak and it displays a similar ignorance he showed in this episode when he says judging poetry is purely subjective.
There is a lot of craft and skill that goes into good art. The price winning adam and eve poem was bad because it displayed very little of it. The problem is that we are living in times where craft is not valued. This is why poems like this win awards ... Because people like Jesse insist that it is purely subjective.
Fuentes is a really weird choice because he’s anti-Israel.
I don’t know what Freddie’s stance is, but maybe he thinks Jesse is also anti-Israel?
I definitely knew people like yarvis growing up. Not the fascism part, but the way too confident in their own intellect part. Their always looking for the biggest, most colorful words and sit right up front in class and annoy the shit out of the teacher because they truly believe their the smartest person in the room. Usually they're socially a little off, but not overly so. They just have 0 self awareness and are total narcissist.
I don't feel like yarvis found his way to fascism through deep intellectual thought, but more through constant desire to be the smartest person in the room that leads to more fringe and contrarian thinking. And of course he can't just be straightforward and boring with his beliefs, he has to approach everything obliquely with overly colorful language and sprinkled historical references that aren't tied to anything. After you drill through all crap, you realize he is just spewing standard fascist views and is a really boring thinker.
He seems like a spoiled child and his fans seem like the kind of parents constantly boring you with stories about their extra special little genius.
"Yarvis" is actually pretty great. Curtain Yarvis?
Fair. What about Curtis yarvin?
Out of curiosity, where did you become familiar with Yarvin? I'd barely heard of him -- well, I'd heard the name and knew he was supposed to be an influence on Theil and Vance and other techbro types and knew he was a monarchist (which is just bizarre), so basically dismissed him. Yet both B&R and the 5th Column discussed him in their latest.
Decoding the gurus covered him, which i listen to regularly. He was also interviewed by the new york times and the daily. I was also aware of him from loosely following figures in the new right, like Theil and Vance. He was gaining more prominence as the right has moved further right and is unfortunately influential in that movement.
Ah, that explains it. I find the guru show annoying in that they seem to overrate the influence of the people they cover and to spend way too much time on people who strike me as just uninteresting.
I mean, i don't think brought much notoriety to yarvin if that's your point. He hsd had much more mainstream coversge.
I don't find that there's much overlap between the two audience, although one of the hosts listens to this show and is generally a fan it seems. I think jesse is a fan of there show and was on to talk about his book. They are pretty hard on a lot heterdox influencers, but they cover range of people. I think they do a good job contextualizing people and are good at drilling down on bull shit rhetoric. But obviously opinions can differ.
I know other people I generally respect (and largely agree with on things) who enjoy the show. I just found it tedious when I tried it since mostly they cover people I am not interested in and my impression has been that they overrate how politically-influential the people are (for a while it seemed like they talked endlessly about the Weinsteins). Also, although I'm not a fan of Brene Brown or whatever her name is, that was one of the shows I tried and they were making generalizations about Americans and arguing that shame is good without even trying to understand what it seemed obvious Brown was saying in a way that annoyed me. (I think shame as she uses it anyway definitely can prevent people from doing healthy things vs simply preventing bad behavior, as they seemed to think.)
Anyway, no, I don't think the gurus show made him well-known, it just seemed to make sense as to why you would know what his various positions are.
It was nice to hear Katie and Jesse mention the Philadelphia show. I was there and immediately noticed that the staff was made up of mostly people/women of color. I also recall thinking the audio was too loud which happened to be recordings of an angry black woman that a white audience was laughing at. It was...awkward.
Edit: in case Jesse or Katie read this, if you do West coast shows with the same story from Katie then Jesse needs his own to tell. Like you did on the first tour. If not, the very least is have Ben Dreyfuss on stage the first half of the show.
I was there too! I know that Cluster B knows all colors (black, white, orange) but it was still a little uncomfortable.
I had to work & missed it. I wanna hear the story!
Skateboarding videos? We’re still waiting for Episode 2 of Dancing With Dogs!
You should have kept Yarvin's name out of the title just for the jumpscare when he appears in a story about lib poetry bullshit. It's like watching some random movie and halfway through Darth Vader appears.
Not sure if knowledge of his genius has ever reached the US, but it’s generally accepted in the UK that the worst poet in the English language is William McGonagall.
“The Tay Bridge Disaster” being his masterpiece.
Was the Freddie beef public (i.e. online) or private? If it was public, can someone fill the rest of us in on what happened?
The Cathedral is basically just the Deep State. Until today, I’d only heard Michael Malice use it. Curtis Yarvin doesn’t sound anywhere near as entertaining as MM though.
I almost never call anyone a grifter because I think most people believe what they’re selling. . . but I don’t know how else to describe Richard Hanania. He voted for Trump three times, then turned around a couple months later and tried to re-market himself as the anti-MAGA messiah. The guy’s an absolute clown.
Jesse wrote a piece on his Substack, part of which was about theorists like Foucault, who maybe aren’t worth reading after all. FdB wrote a scathing comment, calling it undergrad, calling Katie racist, and their podcast audience Nick Fuentes fans. Absolutely no points were made about what, exactly, he disagreed with. Just ad hominem. Jesse invited him onto the podcast. Jesse asked what Katie said that was racist. No public reply. Meanwhile, Jesse’s readers chimed in asking FdB why he was flipping out.
It was unhinged, not a debate, just insults.
For what it's worth FdB asked to come on in his original comment
Yes, and you were kind enough to accept the offer instead of telling him off.
"Have me on your podcast with your reactionary racist co-host so I can tell you both how you audience-captured in the most pathetic way."
I can't for the life of me identify a question being asked in the above quote. Can you point me towards it?
Holy shit, that’s insane.
I feel badly for Freddie, because I think his meds clearly aren't fully extinguishing his mood swings, and--not being his psychiatrist--I don't know whether he needs more titration or more people in his life who can make him log off.
He's so brilliant and so pitiable.