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I’m just headed out to walk in the cold windy rain and was trying to decide which crappy podcast was going to keep me company and up pops a BARPod with HELEN AS A GUEST!!! I’m not ashamed to admit it, there were tears of joy. Maybe Santa is real after all? Could he be a giant pizza eating Jew? Or a smart-mouthed Moose loving lesbian? Mr and Mrs Clause are actually siblings and that’s why they’ve never had any sexual chemistry? So many happy thoughts! 🎉

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I would like to note that Helen's defense of English food came down to:

- Mustard

- The fact that Indian food is great and some of them live there.

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I LOVE Helen Lewis’s voice!

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Dec 22, 2023·edited Dec 22, 2023

I went to some of the Satanic Temple sobriety support meetings. Too much of an emphasis of social justice and not enough on getting sober! In AA, we call these things “outside issues.”

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Will I burn in hell because I can't stop confusing Helen Lewis with Helen Joyce and Helen Andrews?

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My favourite throuple! I would increase my subscription to $6 a month if Helen became a third cohost (cost of living crisis notwithstanding).

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I emailed them demanding they do another of these. You’re welcome.

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I think the housekeeping Helen just did should be the housekeeping for every show

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Slightly related to the Satan stuff but I’ve always felt BDSM really stands for “Bureaucracy, Documentation, Standards, and Measures” based on just their whole twitter and Reddit presence.

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Dec 23, 2023·edited Dec 23, 2023

I loved the point made in the episode, and in Helen's Satanic Temple article, about how an organization can't be both about its original mission and SJ because SJ takes over entirely. It's complemented by the point that the worst people in the org cloak their narcissism and personal grievances in the language of SJ, and then it becomes impossible to push back against them and shut them down. It made me think also about a point that I've recently heard/read Yasha Mounk make about intersectionality, which in its popularized/memefied form basically mandates that to be a left-of--center person in good standing you have to buy the whole package of SJ positions and causes (because all forms of oppression are interlinked).

Combined it makes for an excellent explanation for the phenomenon Ryan Grim described in his Intercept article, of progressive organizations melting down all over the place. Given Conquest's 2nd law (any organization not explicitly designed to be right wing eventually becomes left wing), it makes me despair of ever having effective social cause organizations until we develop a language and conceptual framework that allows us to effectively shut down SJ claims (of trauma, oppression, victimization, marginalization) within a liberal setting.

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Can we have Helen Lewis on for every holiday? This was so delightful.

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I liked Helen's pronunciation of Patreon. Like it was the name of a Roman centurion.

Also, reporting in from Texas, where I've lived for 23 years, and know absolutely nothing about local politics outside of the town's school board. But yes, there are a lot of BarPod listeners here and some of them might even be worth talking to!

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As a person of Frenchness, I feel violated by this episode.

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Haven't listened yet but just took the quiz in the show notes. I didn't get every answer but had some recollection of almost every single controversy listed.

Does that make me well-informed OR a loser in need of professional counseling?

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“I used to like your work until you attacked the stuff that I care about”

Helen Lewis has a better understanding of American free speech than most Americans. I love that.

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Helen should have included “Appalachian” on her pronunciation list 😊

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