Reading the notes before listening, I thought the disagreement was between “lay-ah” and “lee-ah” (I know women with both pronunciations). But pronouncing Leah as “lee” is incorrect. Your friend is wrong, Katie.
A quick point on the Thomas Chatterton Williams hate: white people rabidly defending gangster rap has always confused me. The idea that only white racists and black conservatives criticize rap is laughable. I love rap, including the more hardcore variety, but some of the lyrics are incredibly violent and sexist and draw the ire of a variety of people. It’s pretty racist to insinuate that a black person has some sort of ulterior motive for criticizing a musical genre with extremely controversial lyrics and artists. But certain white progressives do this all the time: they decide that something represents a group of people, and then they vilify anyone from that group that objects.
“Leah” is not pronounced “Lee.” Any Leah who says it that way is saying her own name incorrectly and should feel bad about herself. “Lee-uh” is acceptable, but “Lay-uh” is to be preferred, particularly if the Leah in question is Israeli and/or Jewish.
This Eliza character is really sad. Obviously, she’s always been attention needy. But it sounds like she went down the road of trading her sexuality for attention and in general engaged in transactional sexual behavior and found it to be very dehumanizing. I find our current culture around sex to be very dehumanizing too. I think in general we minimize how damaging the objectification of sex is to most people. I wish people could pull sexual images of themselves from the internet if they change their minds. I am of the belief that people can consent to dehumanizing pornographic behavior and we should understand why they later regret it and want it scraped from the internet.
This seems to follow a trend of people embellishing the details of their “trauma” so that no one can question whether or not the person “deserves” to feel the pain they do about whatever happened. All While still hooked on their endless need for massive amounts of external validation.
I wonder if in her next self examination of her trauma she will blame Twitter and media for exploiting her neediness and for enabling self-destructive, attention seeking. Will she say that men in media trafficked her because she was willing to tell a story that fit their agenda and massage their egos. They passed her from podcast to podcast and discarded her when the show was over.
She is the one that won’t stop selling herself. This is so dark.
Katie--please don't feel guilt for helping any person have shelter. All people deserve that. I work with a few people who have intellectual disabilities and sexual offenses in their past, and at least one of them has been homeless in the past. Also, I find the way our society thinks about pedophiles to be inconsistent with what we think we know about the science. People generally don't choose what they're attracted to sexually, and I don't think pedophiles do either. I can't imagine having to live with myself and being preferentially (and maybe exclusively) attracted to children--that must be awful. That they are a danger to our communities is true, but they are also deserving of some empathy.
We used to call this type of person "Drama Queen" and they would eternally wear out group of friends after group of friends until they were like 30 and ran out of people to befriend but now with social media, there's an endless funnel of new 'friends'.
Candace Owens: a younger, black Ann Coulter. Pretty simple. A carnival barker who mouths talking points.
I seriously think that if the Democratic National Committee offered her more money than whatever she gets from Daily Wire, she would jump back in a second.
Not sure if this got yanked off the Wednesday Open Thread (looks like it) but I have to encourage all you POD people to listen to Andrew Sullivan's Feb 3rd The Dishcast podcast. Great guest with an amazing life story, but what made it extra real for me was the way Andrew and his guest explained how Trans Extremism is, intentionally or not, tied to eradicating Gayness / homosexuality. The example from Iran is eye-opening. And yet another discussion re: Wokeness generally, but some points were made in a new, deeper ways. Definitely worth a listen.
Just curious, what is it about Jesse that some of these women find threatening? What exactly have they said if anyone knows… This keeps coming up and I’ve seen it alluded to on twitter but with little detail. I find him almost laughably non-threatening in any context but certainly if not in person - you can’t even point to his height etc. To be fair I may have a very high bar for being around “rough” men. Most of my life has been spent in the company of rednecks, military guys, the building/manufacturing industry, and now Australians ;) I can’t get my mind around anyone getting a predatory or dangerous vibe from him and can only assume the accusations are manipulative. Anyone know what the absolute steelman best example of this is? I kinda feel bad for not at least looking into it but it just makes me laugh every time it comes up.
When they’re talking about that earlier Ep covering Jia and her human trafficking parents, I was remembering listening but had images of driving a covered wagon in the old west. I realized I was playing Red Dead Redemption while listening to that episode. A lot of my memories of podcasts are attached to where I was when listening: gaming, driving, housework, etc.
We could avoid all the trouble caused by pedophiles, sex traffickers, and grifters claiming to have been trafficked if we could all just agree with my adolescent self that sex is gross and no one should do it. Actually my postmenopausal self is starting to agree with her.
I used to live in the same apartment building as Eliza in the Gold Coast neighborhood of Chicago. It sounds like that was after Wicker Park and definitely also not a gang-controlled neighborhood. 🙄
I’m a bit sad that you were as right as you were on this one, Katie. Not that I suspected you weren’t but this one had me in a bit of a funk the last few days. Ugly part of the world. I still kinda feel bad for Eliza, mental illness is ugly and I think she has the fame seeking variant and maybe twisted around a few things she was more complicit in to come up with the story she told. I agree with you that I don’t think she did it to make money, she just wanted to be special. That makes it sadder to me for some reason.
I just think Eliza is someone that has been trying to find her “niche” over the past couple decades. Groupie, model, actress, reality tv star, etc., but she finally found her fame in “being trafficked” and peddling ridiculous right wing conspiracies.
It seems that Elon is her new Gerard. Let’s see if she strong arms him into a relationship lol
Reading the notes before listening, I thought the disagreement was between “lay-ah” and “lee-ah” (I know women with both pronunciations). But pronouncing Leah as “lee” is incorrect. Your friend is wrong, Katie.
A quick point on the Thomas Chatterton Williams hate: white people rabidly defending gangster rap has always confused me. The idea that only white racists and black conservatives criticize rap is laughable. I love rap, including the more hardcore variety, but some of the lyrics are incredibly violent and sexist and draw the ire of a variety of people. It’s pretty racist to insinuate that a black person has some sort of ulterior motive for criticizing a musical genre with extremely controversial lyrics and artists. But certain white progressives do this all the time: they decide that something represents a group of people, and then they vilify anyone from that group that objects.
“Leah” is not pronounced “Lee.” Any Leah who says it that way is saying her own name incorrectly and should feel bad about herself. “Lee-uh” is acceptable, but “Lay-uh” is to be preferred, particularly if the Leah in question is Israeli and/or Jewish.
“Too annoying to be trafficked” is certainly one way to own your narrative.
This Eliza character is really sad. Obviously, she’s always been attention needy. But it sounds like she went down the road of trading her sexuality for attention and in general engaged in transactional sexual behavior and found it to be very dehumanizing. I find our current culture around sex to be very dehumanizing too. I think in general we minimize how damaging the objectification of sex is to most people. I wish people could pull sexual images of themselves from the internet if they change their minds. I am of the belief that people can consent to dehumanizing pornographic behavior and we should understand why they later regret it and want it scraped from the internet.
This seems to follow a trend of people embellishing the details of their “trauma” so that no one can question whether or not the person “deserves” to feel the pain they do about whatever happened. All While still hooked on their endless need for massive amounts of external validation.
I wonder if in her next self examination of her trauma she will blame Twitter and media for exploiting her neediness and for enabling self-destructive, attention seeking. Will she say that men in media trafficked her because she was willing to tell a story that fit their agenda and massage their egos. They passed her from podcast to podcast and discarded her when the show was over.
She is the one that won’t stop selling herself. This is so dark.
Katie--please don't feel guilt for helping any person have shelter. All people deserve that. I work with a few people who have intellectual disabilities and sexual offenses in their past, and at least one of them has been homeless in the past. Also, I find the way our society thinks about pedophiles to be inconsistent with what we think we know about the science. People generally don't choose what they're attracted to sexually, and I don't think pedophiles do either. I can't imagine having to live with myself and being preferentially (and maybe exclusively) attracted to children--that must be awful. That they are a danger to our communities is true, but they are also deserving of some empathy.
We used to call this type of person "Drama Queen" and they would eternally wear out group of friends after group of friends until they were like 30 and ran out of people to befriend but now with social media, there's an endless funnel of new 'friends'.
Candace Owens: a younger, black Ann Coulter. Pretty simple. A carnival barker who mouths talking points.
I seriously think that if the Democratic National Committee offered her more money than whatever she gets from Daily Wire, she would jump back in a second.
Not sure if this got yanked off the Wednesday Open Thread (looks like it) but I have to encourage all you POD people to listen to Andrew Sullivan's Feb 3rd The Dishcast podcast. Great guest with an amazing life story, but what made it extra real for me was the way Andrew and his guest explained how Trans Extremism is, intentionally or not, tied to eradicating Gayness / homosexuality. The example from Iran is eye-opening. And yet another discussion re: Wokeness generally, but some points were made in a new, deeper ways. Definitely worth a listen.
Just curious, what is it about Jesse that some of these women find threatening? What exactly have they said if anyone knows… This keeps coming up and I’ve seen it alluded to on twitter but with little detail. I find him almost laughably non-threatening in any context but certainly if not in person - you can’t even point to his height etc. To be fair I may have a very high bar for being around “rough” men. Most of my life has been spent in the company of rednecks, military guys, the building/manufacturing industry, and now Australians ;) I can’t get my mind around anyone getting a predatory or dangerous vibe from him and can only assume the accusations are manipulative. Anyone know what the absolute steelman best example of this is? I kinda feel bad for not at least looking into it but it just makes me laugh every time it comes up.
When they’re talking about that earlier Ep covering Jia and her human trafficking parents, I was remembering listening but had images of driving a covered wagon in the old west. I realized I was playing Red Dead Redemption while listening to that episode. A lot of my memories of podcasts are attached to where I was when listening: gaming, driving, housework, etc.
We could avoid all the trouble caused by pedophiles, sex traffickers, and grifters claiming to have been trafficked if we could all just agree with my adolescent self that sex is gross and no one should do it. Actually my postmenopausal self is starting to agree with her.
I used to live in the same apartment building as Eliza in the Gold Coast neighborhood of Chicago. It sounds like that was after Wicker Park and definitely also not a gang-controlled neighborhood. 🙄
I’m a bit sad that you were as right as you were on this one, Katie. Not that I suspected you weren’t but this one had me in a bit of a funk the last few days. Ugly part of the world. I still kinda feel bad for Eliza, mental illness is ugly and I think she has the fame seeking variant and maybe twisted around a few things she was more complicit in to come up with the story she told. I agree with you that I don’t think she did it to make money, she just wanted to be special. That makes it sadder to me for some reason.
I just think Eliza is someone that has been trying to find her “niche” over the past couple decades. Groupie, model, actress, reality tv star, etc., but she finally found her fame in “being trafficked” and peddling ridiculous right wing conspiracies.
It seems that Elon is her new Gerard. Let’s see if she strong arms him into a relationship lol
Katie, he is a human and you recognized his humanity. You did good. Still a hero.