I was directly involved in Racefail, several of my LJ friends have posts in the roundups, but I felt like that comment was already getting far far too long to get into that. And very true wrt rationslist/athiesm+ overlap, but you saw that more on the general SFF side than in female led HP fandom. I don't know anyone within the corner of HP fandom I was heavily involved in (a huge rating comm) who read Eliezer's HP fic, for example.
Elevatorgate was definitely a big topic of conversation, but pretty much no one I knew was actually "in" those spaces.
Tingle saying he'd have Zoe Quinn accept his award if he won the Hugo (for the non-nerds: the Sad Puppies spammed noms for Tingle in order to humiliate the Hugos - Tingle handled it with humor and grace and its why he's so beloved to this day) is where it crosses over into GamerGate.
Yeah, I meant "at the time", Tingle's excellent at following the trends. Self IDs as autistic when that became popular, has been hinting that they're trans themselves, probably so they can do a reveal that they're been a woman all along but they ID as a man.
Yeah, I forget how long I was a part of internet fandom and how much stuff I'd assumed people just KNEW until I'll mention something and get blank stares (i.e. "what do you mean you don't know Cassie Claire of YA fame started off writing a Draco/Ginny fanfic triology and got harassed for setting up the equivalent of a GoFundMe to replace a stolen laptop circa 2006?"
I was thinking the same thing! Except a podcast. I've been seeing some YouTube video essays popping up on some of the journalfen expos├йs (I just saw one in my recommendations on MsScribe / bad_penny) and I know there is scholarly work on older fandom (Robert Kozinets, the father of Netnography, developed it doing his PhD on Trek usenet).
Honestly, as a qual marketing researcher, I probably have the chops to do it - maybe I should.
I actually had a thought on books -- not on fandom, but It Came From Something Awful does cover that era, and Kill All Normies is more focused on chan culture around the Trump election.
I never got much into fandoms, it always felt too much like organized religion to me. That said, I was fascinated by Larry CorreiaтАЩs exchange with GRR Martin over the Hugo slates. The lefty тАЬtrufansтАЭ making the sad puppies point for them by blowing up the Hugos rather than allow conservatives to win and Martin trying to talk them down.
One of the prescient moments foreshadowing our current authoritarian trends.
Sorry for the tangent, but I just recently started getting into the Laundry Files (as in, like, literally just finished "The Atrocity Archives" last week), and your comment makes me wonder if there's some point in the list of titles that you would recommend stopping.
I missed the Laundry Files restarting and downloaded his two new ones last year. Christ. The first book has a trans character (a FTM teenager) which I rolled with, but in the second book he specifically depicts Mumsnet as colluding with the weird American religious cult on human sacrifices.
Yes Charlie you plonker, British mothers worried about the suitability of self ID and paediatric sex change are definitely just exactly like an authoritarian US Christian right. ItтАЩs just a bit rich coming from the man who wrote Equoid, yтАЩknow.
I was directly involved in Racefail, several of my LJ friends have posts in the roundups, but I felt like that comment was already getting far far too long to get into that. And very true wrt rationslist/athiesm+ overlap, but you saw that more on the general SFF side than in female led HP fandom. I don't know anyone within the corner of HP fandom I was heavily involved in (a huge rating comm) who read Eliezer's HP fic, for example.
Elevatorgate was definitely a big topic of conversation, but pretty much no one I knew was actually "in" those spaces.
Tingle saying he'd have Zoe Quinn accept his award if he won the Hugo (for the non-nerds: the Sad Puppies spammed noms for Tingle in order to humiliate the Hugos - Tingle handled it with humor and grace and its why he's so beloved to this day) is where it crosses over into GamerGate.
Zoe Quinn also started making a Chuck Tingle game that was never completed. It, uh, did not look good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofJzavEH12A=
Yeah, I meant "at the time", Tingle's excellent at following the trends. Self IDs as autistic when that became popular, has been hinting that they're trans themselves, probably so they can do a reveal that they're been a woman all along but they ID as a man.
Oh God, if Tingles also one of those DID fraudsters I'll get bingo on my "Fandom weirdos" card
Yeah, I forget how long I was a part of internet fandom and how much stuff I'd assumed people just KNEW until I'll mention something and get blank stares (i.e. "what do you mean you don't know Cassie Claire of YA fame started off writing a Draco/Ginny fanfic triology and got harassed for setting up the equivalent of a GoFundMe to replace a stolen laptop circa 2006?"
Don't forget the plagiarism!
Even when I read a lot of YA I never picked up. Cassandra Claire book because of her bonkers background in Harry Potter fandom
I was thinking the same thing! Except a podcast. I've been seeing some YouTube video essays popping up on some of the journalfen expos├йs (I just saw one in my recommendations on MsScribe / bad_penny) and I know there is scholarly work on older fandom (Robert Kozinets, the father of Netnography, developed it doing his PhD on Trek usenet).
Honestly, as a qual marketing researcher, I probably have the chops to do it - maybe I should.
I actually had a thought on books -- not on fandom, but It Came From Something Awful does cover that era, and Kill All Normies is more focused on chan culture around the Trump election.
I never got much into fandoms, it always felt too much like organized religion to me. That said, I was fascinated by Larry CorreiaтАЩs exchange with GRR Martin over the Hugo slates. The lefty тАЬtrufansтАЭ making the sad puppies point for them by blowing up the Hugos rather than allow conservatives to win and Martin trying to talk them down.
One of the prescient moments foreshadowing our current authoritarian trends.
Charlie Stross has been such a disappointment over the past couple of years. Have you tried reading any of his most recent Laundry novels?
Sorry for the tangent, but I just recently started getting into the Laundry Files (as in, like, literally just finished "The Atrocity Archives" last week), and your comment makes me wonder if there's some point in the list of titles that you would recommend stopping.
I missed the Laundry Files restarting and downloaded his two new ones last year. Christ. The first book has a trans character (a FTM teenager) which I rolled with, but in the second book he specifically depicts Mumsnet as colluding with the weird American religious cult on human sacrifices.
Yes Charlie you plonker, British mothers worried about the suitability of self ID and paediatric sex change are definitely just exactly like an authoritarian US Christian right. ItтАЩs just a bit rich coming from the man who wrote Equoid, yтАЩknow.