Episode 164: A Can't-Look-Away Nightmare Involving A Sci-Fi Writer, A Maybe-Formerly-Racist Cybersecurity Expert, And, Somehow, A Cabal Of Online "Opie And Anthony" Fundamentalists (Part 1)
Episode 164: A Can't-Look-Away Nightmare Involving A Sci-Fi Writer, A Maybe-Formerly-Racist Cybersecurity Expert, And, Somehow, A Cabal Of Online "Opie And Anthony" Fundamentalists (Part 1)
Oh man.. Never have I been so stoked to hear a pt. 2. I'd also like to give my totally unsolicited opinion regarding the Jordan Neely ep criticism, and say that you guys shouldn't feel obligated to address your detractors. This could apply to addressing the cancer survivor comment from a previous ep as well. It seems beneath y'all, and potentially influential on the shape of the show. They're only going to get bolder after hearing you guys humor them. Anyways, love you.
I too congratulate Jesse on his slay the spire runs, I think it’s great that after failing to finish Elden Ring he’s landed on a mobile game that’s more his speed
Based on what I've seen not following the story super closely, I think it's wrong to say the system didn't fail Jordan Neely. Yes, he was on that top 50 list. But if you're not going to check the list when you have interactions with him, to realize he needs to be arrested...
Neely had a bunch of interactions with the system while that warrant was out. And apparently none of those times did anyone see he was on the list.
There may have been many services available for Neely, and yeah, he might not have wanted to use them. But NYC wasn't really trying to get him into them, not with any diligence.
If you do much reading of right-side commentary on the matter, sooner or later you'll find some mention of our having basically done way away with too much civil commitment. I have no difficulty believing such can be misused and some institutions might become abusive in practice. But it really does seem to me like involuntary commitment is the only real answer for a nontrivial number of people, and it is how the system failed Neely here.
I find this type of behavior really puzzling -- why would anyone spend so much time harassing someone they don't know just because they didn't think a comedian you like is funny.
This is something that psychologists and sociologists should make a good faith effort to understand. And by good faith effort, I mean do good science where you try to actually understand the factors driving the phenomenon rather than just collecting evidence to support your preferred explanation. Is it just social pressure? Boredom? Not viewing Tomlinson as a human being? A conviction that if you don't like someone it's fine to do terrible things to them?
I think I gotta admit that I was wrong in the last thread for blaming NYC's social safety net for the Jordan Neely situation. It does seem like he was approached numerous times for treatment but just relapsed over and over again. Some people are just lost causes and need to be detained and forced into treatment for their own good and for the good of society.
To be fair, it wasn’t until 2014 that Weev called himself a white nationalist, and it was even longer before people started believing him. There was even a positive profile of Weev in The Atlantic in 2013. Before 2016, it was generally taken as a given that transgressive humor was left-wing. It sounds like she pretended to have never found it funny at the very same moment everyone else did.
YESSSS ITS A PATRICK EPISODE im so excited to listen you have no idea how hard i had to contain my excitement when i saw the header so my co workers wont think im a thought criminal
Pronoun story: I have a foreign friend who lives in the US. She'd just been home for a while and her English was rusty. In a meeting, she was apparently asked her pronouns and had a sudden moment where she couldn't remember what a pronoun was. She had a moment of floundering and said, "sorry, I'm confused..." And everyone suddenly became super supportive. Some sent cards after the meeting. Everyone was honored she chose to share that with them.
And the idea that a room of people decided this middle-aged woman with a thick accent was clearly expressing her deep and complex feelings about gender rather than having language difficulties makes me giggle.
Am I irredeemably cynical or is anyone else expecting pt. 2 to reveal Tomlinson had some Rebekah Jones/Keffals style fabulistic victim delusions and at least half the "harassing calls" (etc.) were coming from inside the house? Anyone who's incapable of logging off after a first online pile-on strikes me as having an uncomfortable relationship with reality and a pathological need for attention.
Maybe I’m a bully at heart, but Patrick is really obnoxious. It doesn’t justify the swatting and harassment, but boy oh boy is he perfect at encapsulating everything bad brought about by social media
First time I’ve strongly disagreed with Katie. Put the dog on a leash (I say a a dog person).
Oh man.. Never have I been so stoked to hear a pt. 2. I'd also like to give my totally unsolicited opinion regarding the Jordan Neely ep criticism, and say that you guys shouldn't feel obligated to address your detractors. This could apply to addressing the cancer survivor comment from a previous ep as well. It seems beneath y'all, and potentially influential on the shape of the show. They're only going to get bolder after hearing you guys humor them. Anyways, love you.
Norm McDonald is fucking hilarious.
The Patrick Tomlinson saga is horrible. The amount of focused cruelty and abuse directed toward him is crazy. No one deserves to be treated like that.
I too congratulate Jesse on his slay the spire runs, I think it’s great that after failing to finish Elden Ring he’s landed on a mobile game that’s more his speed
Based on what I've seen not following the story super closely, I think it's wrong to say the system didn't fail Jordan Neely. Yes, he was on that top 50 list. But if you're not going to check the list when you have interactions with him, to realize he needs to be arrested...
Police Officers May No Longer Hold People to Check for Warrants https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/16/nyregion/nypd-warrant-settlement.html?unlocked_article_code=THDpgPBRPpDhFKPOP9hSFRATaEhEMLQ2o9P7mivkBiianIg0vlibJWKEx-194ekRstM57szaI93fKMYOdQZJQBA-8L7ONKTXtCl2dJAMw4FXe57WIzFAv9MzpTTRbz4KwsySsyvxNUv40DrvMRFMZiVk0eQeRnVaie0AbcgGiqe07wK9rqFOziCJUBtlc58aPTcCxqZmDCRNqqyhbtWLFy6Y2aqK8GNvLKTvWb9mnMuX6vfzOgURwnZekrplP4cVAkUpC4ioDvt8bqy2MK8lnN-dhMnY6AIhNYOyBJVzjizcD7p-GlDd9tMCnVt-0syiq2nLW5N26D-UOooQYI5rB3pV&smid=nytcore-android-share (gift link)
Neely had a bunch of interactions with the system while that warrant was out. And apparently none of those times did anyone see he was on the list.
There may have been many services available for Neely, and yeah, he might not have wanted to use them. But NYC wasn't really trying to get him into them, not with any diligence.
If you do much reading of right-side commentary on the matter, sooner or later you'll find some mention of our having basically done way away with too much civil commitment. I have no difficulty believing such can be misused and some institutions might become abusive in practice. But it really does seem to me like involuntary commitment is the only real answer for a nontrivial number of people, and it is how the system failed Neely here.
I find this type of behavior really puzzling -- why would anyone spend so much time harassing someone they don't know just because they didn't think a comedian you like is funny.
This is something that psychologists and sociologists should make a good faith effort to understand. And by good faith effort, I mean do good science where you try to actually understand the factors driving the phenomenon rather than just collecting evidence to support your preferred explanation. Is it just social pressure? Boredom? Not viewing Tomlinson as a human being? A conviction that if you don't like someone it's fine to do terrible things to them?
I think I gotta admit that I was wrong in the last thread for blaming NYC's social safety net for the Jordan Neely situation. It does seem like he was approached numerous times for treatment but just relapsed over and over again. Some people are just lost causes and need to be detained and forced into treatment for their own good and for the good of society.
To be fair, it wasn’t until 2014 that Weev called himself a white nationalist, and it was even longer before people started believing him. There was even a positive profile of Weev in The Atlantic in 2013. Before 2016, it was generally taken as a given that transgressive humor was left-wing. It sounds like she pretended to have never found it funny at the very same moment everyone else did.
YESSSS ITS A PATRICK EPISODE im so excited to listen you have no idea how hard i had to contain my excitement when i saw the header so my co workers wont think im a thought criminal
This is the Pronoun Training Video I recommend. I was trained with it in 1969.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTKy0CYUrV0
Oh Stalker, Child! Opie and Anthony fans are cringe, but Patricks narcissism makes me lose sympathy for him. They deserve each other.
Edit: Enjoy Prison
Pronoun story: I have a foreign friend who lives in the US. She'd just been home for a while and her English was rusty. In a meeting, she was apparently asked her pronouns and had a sudden moment where she couldn't remember what a pronoun was. She had a moment of floundering and said, "sorry, I'm confused..." And everyone suddenly became super supportive. Some sent cards after the meeting. Everyone was honored she chose to share that with them.
And the idea that a room of people decided this middle-aged woman with a thick accent was clearly expressing her deep and complex feelings about gender rather than having language difficulties makes me giggle.
Am I irredeemably cynical or is anyone else expecting pt. 2 to reveal Tomlinson had some Rebekah Jones/Keffals style fabulistic victim delusions and at least half the "harassing calls" (etc.) were coming from inside the house? Anyone who's incapable of logging off after a first online pile-on strikes me as having an uncomfortable relationship with reality and a pathological need for attention.
Poor old Patrick, for all the dumb stuff he's done, he's never actually harmed anyone. You can't say the same about singh.
Maybe I’m a bully at heart, but Patrick is really obnoxious. It doesn’t justify the swatting and harassment, but boy oh boy is he perfect at encapsulating everything bad brought about by social media