Episode 165: A Can't-Look-Away Nightmare Involving A Sci-Fi Writer, A Maybe-Formerly-Racist Cybersecurity Expert, And, Somehow, A Cabal Of Online "Opie And Anthony" Fundamentalists (Part 2)
Episode 165: A Can't-Look-Away Nightmare Involving A Sci-Fi Writer, A Maybe-Formerly-Racist Cybersecurity Expert, And, Somehow, A Cabal Of Online "Opie And Anthony" Fundamentalists (Part 2)
Okay, as the resident Swedish immigrant -- Petter Janse (Janse is close to the "yoncé" in Beyoncé with the "a" in awning fyi) is no way in hell the same person in the Telegram audio from the swatters.
1. Petter's cadence in the youtube clip is of a Swedish speaker who doesn't use spoken english very often. Any of my native Swedish-speaking friends, who either have native fluency in a 2nd language or have spent significant amounts of time abroad, don't carry over the cadence/melody that strongly.
2. He's, for lack of a better word, super nasal in a way that says to me he's either from Lidingö (snobby island in Stockholm), one of the rich people suburbs of Stockholm (like Täby), OR from the gnällbältet (literally whining belt), a part of Sweden east of Stockholm that's known for their extremely whiny accents (hence the name). The way he's unable to pronounce the schwa sound correctly in English is pretty characteristic to Swedes, especially from those regions.
3. Those two things together PLUS the grammar mistakes the person in the clip from the swatters makes, which aren't mistakes a Swede would generally make, tell me it's definitely not the same person.
What's really horrifying about IDing a specific Swedish person like this, is that every single Swede is doxable with just simple biographical info. All addresses and phone numbers are public, by Swedish law, and easily searchable on websites like [removed for when this goes public]. You can also get someone's salary through the tax agency, because again, this stuff is public by law. If you're not Sven Svensson in a major city, you're pretty fucked if someone like ONA ever gets you in their sights,
I thought this was a good episode that got down to the core. It's possible to spend too long in the weeds of a story. Sometimes I think J and K need to do more research - this one I think was enough.
Top tip: If you want to convince a journalist that your online group is being falsely accused of harassment maybe don't harass the journalist? And then say you hope that journalist is beaten up. It doesn't scream 'good guys'.
Swede here and former co-worker of Diana Janse’s (and FB friend, though she definitely outranked me and probably doesn’t remember my name, ha ha). It’s a small world! And yeah, there’s no way that’s Petter Janse’s voice on the incriminating phone call. That person also isn’t Swedish.
I nearly screamed in my car when Katie said that Patrick replied to the texts she and her wife were pulled into. Don’t bring her down with you, dude! I don’t really care if he MUST REPLY to everyone, I feel like he was dragging Katie into his stupid toxic relationship with his trolls.
Yeah, not to be a victim blamer, but there is definitely some twisted co-dependency between the forum freaks and Patrick that I would venture ends up being far more deranging to him than it is for them. And of course they would eventually stop if he quit responding-it all started as them acting in response to something that he said. His comebacks are their fuel. It seems like his repeated "mentally-ill children" line is maybe his sad little idea of a win. I dunno. Depressing though. Seriously, just don't engage with the depravity from the get-go. It's that easy.
Wow what a story. I feel bad for getting an hour of entertainment out of the Harassment of Patrick, but Katie and Jessie should feel worse for making money off it ;P
But in all seriousness, when Patrick stated that ignoring them doesn't work, I very much doubt that. Based on the behavior noted in the story, I have a strong sense that he never *really* tried ignoring him: he seems like the kinda guy to state on a Monday that he's taking a break from social media, but then is tweeting again by Thursday.
I continue on the theme I noticed from last week's episode...Patrick is just so infuriatingly unlikeable. Again, maybe I'm a bad person or a subconscious Opie and Anthony fan, or something. But Patrick just brings some desire to bully out in me that I've literally never experienced before, IRL or online. It's bizzare, and I'm not justifying anything that the Opie and Anthony weirdos did, including doxxing. But jeez man.
Yeah, 100% agree about not ever talking more about that group or anything further they do. Don't feed them. I don't even know if this whole thing was even worth the coverage in the first place because it probably just contributed to it continuing even more.
How many times would a police department have to be called and respond to the same address with a SWAT (that yields nothing to justify the call) before they realize that the calls are likely trolls likely harrassing the SWATee? I just don't think they would SWAT an address over and over again, unless it's some kind of policy/procedure that says they have to - sending out SWAT has got to be pretty pricey.
Okay, as the resident Swedish immigrant -- Petter Janse (Janse is close to the "yoncé" in Beyoncé with the "a" in awning fyi) is no way in hell the same person in the Telegram audio from the swatters.
1. Petter's cadence in the youtube clip is of a Swedish speaker who doesn't use spoken english very often. Any of my native Swedish-speaking friends, who either have native fluency in a 2nd language or have spent significant amounts of time abroad, don't carry over the cadence/melody that strongly.
2. He's, for lack of a better word, super nasal in a way that says to me he's either from Lidingö (snobby island in Stockholm), one of the rich people suburbs of Stockholm (like Täby), OR from the gnällbältet (literally whining belt), a part of Sweden east of Stockholm that's known for their extremely whiny accents (hence the name). The way he's unable to pronounce the schwa sound correctly in English is pretty characteristic to Swedes, especially from those regions.
3. Those two things together PLUS the grammar mistakes the person in the clip from the swatters makes, which aren't mistakes a Swede would generally make, tell me it's definitely not the same person.
What's really horrifying about IDing a specific Swedish person like this, is that every single Swede is doxable with just simple biographical info. All addresses and phone numbers are public, by Swedish law, and easily searchable on websites like [removed for when this goes public]. You can also get someone's salary through the tax agency, because again, this stuff is public by law. If you're not Sven Svensson in a major city, you're pretty fucked if someone like ONA ever gets you in their sights,
I thought this was a good episode that got down to the core. It's possible to spend too long in the weeds of a story. Sometimes I think J and K need to do more research - this one I think was enough.
Top tip: If you want to convince a journalist that your online group is being falsely accused of harassment maybe don't harass the journalist? And then say you hope that journalist is beaten up. It doesn't scream 'good guys'.
Jesse, posters in anonymous Internet forums might be the scum of the earth, but we’re YOUR scum of the earth
Swede here and former co-worker of Diana Janse’s (and FB friend, though she definitely outranked me and probably doesn’t remember my name, ha ha). It’s a small world! And yeah, there’s no way that’s Petter Janse’s voice on the incriminating phone call. That person also isn’t Swedish.
I nearly screamed in my car when Katie said that Patrick replied to the texts she and her wife were pulled into. Don’t bring her down with you, dude! I don’t really care if he MUST REPLY to everyone, I feel like he was dragging Katie into his stupid toxic relationship with his trolls.
Wow, Trace. How does it feel to just be “someone from Jesse Singal’s crew?”
What I find fascinating about the trolls in the O&A forums and Kiwifarms, etc is the projection. If anything, they are the supreme lolcows.
Yeah, not to be a victim blamer, but there is definitely some twisted co-dependency between the forum freaks and Patrick that I would venture ends up being far more deranging to him than it is for them. And of course they would eventually stop if he quit responding-it all started as them acting in response to something that he said. His comebacks are their fuel. It seems like his repeated "mentally-ill children" line is maybe his sad little idea of a win. I dunno. Depressing though. Seriously, just don't engage with the depravity from the get-go. It's that easy.
Wow what a story. I feel bad for getting an hour of entertainment out of the Harassment of Patrick, but Katie and Jessie should feel worse for making money off it ;P
But in all seriousness, when Patrick stated that ignoring them doesn't work, I very much doubt that. Based on the behavior noted in the story, I have a strong sense that he never *really* tried ignoring him: he seems like the kinda guy to state on a Monday that he's taking a break from social media, but then is tweeting again by Thursday.
I continue on the theme I noticed from last week's episode...Patrick is just so infuriatingly unlikeable. Again, maybe I'm a bad person or a subconscious Opie and Anthony fan, or something. But Patrick just brings some desire to bully out in me that I've literally never experienced before, IRL or online. It's bizzare, and I'm not justifying anything that the Opie and Anthony weirdos did, including doxxing. But jeez man.
Yeah, 100% agree about not ever talking more about that group or anything further they do. Don't feed them. I don't even know if this whole thing was even worth the coverage in the first place because it probably just contributed to it continuing even more.
That guy’s accent was weird, but as a native Russian speaker (in the US, though), he makes the «х» sound in «хave» like a Russian.
Whoa I thought part 2 would be next week. What a welcome surprise
I find Patrick's believing that some rando Swede is the person responsible for SWATing him makes him less sympathetic.
How many times would a police department have to be called and respond to the same address with a SWAT (that yields nothing to justify the call) before they realize that the calls are likely trolls likely harrassing the SWATee? I just don't think they would SWAT an address over and over again, unless it's some kind of policy/procedure that says they have to - sending out SWAT has got to be pretty pricey.
This whole narrative was like the plot of one of the more depressing Russian novels.