I finally figured out why Jesse has been annoying me so much lately. He has been much more critical of conservatives without realizing that he really is in a progressive bubble, while Katie does regularly interact with people with very different political takes. And then the whole "no, the real wasn't so good," but then talking confident…
I finally figured out why Jesse has been annoying me so much lately. He has been much more critical of conservatives without realizing that he really is in a progressive bubble, while Katie does regularly interact with people with very different political takes. And then the whole "no, the real wasn't so good," but then talking confidently about things you do not know much about.
And by not know much about zi mean conservative takes on race and diversity. What exactly does being conservative have to do with valuing diversity? This is not ,1999
No one is denying the existence of racism, the argument is about what to do about it.
I would say that the difference between a conservative and progressive in this instance would be that a progressive thinks that racial diversity is the ultimate goal while a conservative thinks the best person is right, regardless of race. And we should seek diversity but not at the expense of qualifications.
About the post grad. If what Halevy said was true, by what post modern logic was she at a meeting at all?
I have a really weird experience being a conservative from a family of conservatives dropped in a progressive echo chamber at work and in our state with progressive in laws. It is baffling to me some of the stuff my in laws take away (and my family to a way lesser extent)
Even though I'm faculty, I'm way more temperamentally comfortable with the staff and techs.
I don't think Jesse has ever experienced. The Navy town k lives in is certainly closer to normies. So I think you are totally right. (but I did like the episode overall)
Sometimes I feel it’s a little like being bilingual. I’m always translating back and forth. I’m of the Right certainly but I’ve always had “misaligned positions” like being pro gay marriage back when the Democrats were pushing don’t ask don’t tell. (wtf was that btw) The Right knows way more about the Left though because they own media and entertainment so their sermons are unavoidable. If you’re like Jesse your bubble can be thick and snuggly.
The other day some wiseacre on our company slack made several snide comments about Republicans in Texas just not liking Mexicans as the reason they are against illegal immigration. Mind you this guy is in France- big ole bubble boy. I finally had to point out to him that if you’re from Texas you almost certainly have a Mexican branch (or two in my case) of your family and how absurd his silly comments were. My question of how many Mexicans he ate Christmas dinner with was met with “maybe we’d better change the subject…” Yeah, no shit. Bubbles are bad unless dogs are chasing them in the park.
Well. To be fair....Democrats pushed DADT because conservatives were pushing for continuing the ban. DADT was framed as a "innocent till proven guilty" privacy policy.
If conservatives in the military agreed to stop arbitrary investigations into private lives and unprovoked interrogation of service men, then gay service men agreed not to "flaunt" their gayness.
One of the main concerns of conservative leadership was knowing someone was gay would make others feel icky and "watched".
Anyway, it's all well documented since there were multiple public hearings if I recall. . . . and was a decent first step to get the military to throttle back on the gay witch hunts.
Yeah, I was there. Democrats were overwhelmingly against it too. Look at any polling from anyone at the time. Even Pres Obama was against it (until he was for it) probably because the public was against it. The best case to be made is that they were for gay marriage but were cowards. That all gets re-written now but over and over every prominent Democrat who could have been brave and made a difference tucked their tales and scampered away. Don’t ask don’t tell actually made things worse - pushing people back in who were already out. It was a shit show.
I think Jesse grew up in a liberal bubble as an upper middle class child of professionals and a lot of his takes stem from that & I don't think he interacts a ton with people who aren't educated and probably from similar backgrounds. It doesn't annoy me, but I do sometimes have to remind myself of that like about the stuff he said when talking about shoplifting. Katie talked about it on A Special Place in Hell episode she was on and it explained some of it to me.
ETA: Katie discussed their backgrounds a tiny bit on the podcast and I went oh that explains it.
“I was there” in this case pretty clearly just meant “I was a grad student at UCLA” (and I guess got things second hand rather than third hand?) but combined with the “inappropriate comments” thing shows she clearly also intended it to be ambiguous.
I finally figured out why Jesse has been annoying me so much lately. He has been much more critical of conservatives without realizing that he really is in a progressive bubble, while Katie does regularly interact with people with very different political takes. And then the whole "no, the real wasn't so good," but then talking confidently about things you do not know much about.
And by not know much about zi mean conservative takes on race and diversity. What exactly does being conservative have to do with valuing diversity? This is not ,1999
No one is denying the existence of racism, the argument is about what to do about it.
I would say that the difference between a conservative and progressive in this instance would be that a progressive thinks that racial diversity is the ultimate goal while a conservative thinks the best person is right, regardless of race. And we should seek diversity but not at the expense of qualifications.
About the post grad. If what Halevy said was true, by what post modern logic was she at a meeting at all?
I have a really weird experience being a conservative from a family of conservatives dropped in a progressive echo chamber at work and in our state with progressive in laws. It is baffling to me some of the stuff my in laws take away (and my family to a way lesser extent)
Even though I'm faculty, I'm way more temperamentally comfortable with the staff and techs.
I don't think Jesse has ever experienced. The Navy town k lives in is certainly closer to normies. So I think you are totally right. (but I did like the episode overall)
Sometimes I feel it’s a little like being bilingual. I’m always translating back and forth. I’m of the Right certainly but I’ve always had “misaligned positions” like being pro gay marriage back when the Democrats were pushing don’t ask don’t tell. (wtf was that btw) The Right knows way more about the Left though because they own media and entertainment so their sermons are unavoidable. If you’re like Jesse your bubble can be thick and snuggly.
The other day some wiseacre on our company slack made several snide comments about Republicans in Texas just not liking Mexicans as the reason they are against illegal immigration. Mind you this guy is in France- big ole bubble boy. I finally had to point out to him that if you’re from Texas you almost certainly have a Mexican branch (or two in my case) of your family and how absurd his silly comments were. My question of how many Mexicans he ate Christmas dinner with was met with “maybe we’d better change the subject…” Yeah, no shit. Bubbles are bad unless dogs are chasing them in the park.
Well. To be fair....Democrats pushed DADT because conservatives were pushing for continuing the ban. DADT was framed as a "innocent till proven guilty" privacy policy.
If conservatives in the military agreed to stop arbitrary investigations into private lives and unprovoked interrogation of service men, then gay service men agreed not to "flaunt" their gayness.
One of the main concerns of conservative leadership was knowing someone was gay would make others feel icky and "watched".
Anyway, it's all well documented since there were multiple public hearings if I recall. . . . and was a decent first step to get the military to throttle back on the gay witch hunts.
Yeah, I was there. Democrats were overwhelmingly against it too. Look at any polling from anyone at the time. Even Pres Obama was against it (until he was for it) probably because the public was against it. The best case to be made is that they were for gay marriage but were cowards. That all gets re-written now but over and over every prominent Democrat who could have been brave and made a difference tucked their tales and scampered away. Don’t ask don’t tell actually made things worse - pushing people back in who were already out. It was a shit show.
Right! Aka, she lied.
Well. She is presumably a woman of color. The concept of truth is a tool of white supremacy.
I think Jesse grew up in a liberal bubble as an upper middle class child of professionals and a lot of his takes stem from that & I don't think he interacts a ton with people who aren't educated and probably from similar backgrounds. It doesn't annoy me, but I do sometimes have to remind myself of that like about the stuff he said when talking about shoplifting. Katie talked about it on A Special Place in Hell episode she was on and it explained some of it to me.
ETA: Katie discussed their backgrounds a tiny bit on the podcast and I went oh that explains it.
It only started annoying me in the last 3 or 4 months. Not sure what happened
“I was there” in this case pretty clearly just meant “I was a grad student at UCLA” (and I guess got things second hand rather than third hand?) but combined with the “inappropriate comments” thing shows she clearly also intended it to be ambiguous.