The comment in question did not stick to that terminology, though. It explicitly said "men in women's sports." Not "natal males" or whatever. Men.
If you are going to toe that line, you had better toe it correctly. These speakers didn't. Whether that should be legally dispositive of anything is a different kettle of fish altogether, but let's not misrepresent what happened here.
The comment in question did not stick to that terminology, though. It explicitly said "men in women's sports." Not "natal males" or whatever. Men.
If you are going to toe that line, you had better toe it correctly. These speakers didn't. Whether that should be legally dispositive of anything is a different kettle of fish altogether, but let's not misrepresent what happened here.
I find it surprising that your Rah Rah One Hundred Percent Real Woman schtick doesn't get old for everyone else here, because literally every comment you post is the same repetitive transphobic garbage. Me, I find it incredibly tedious.
Funny. Reading a pompous man on the Left repeatedly direct ire at women speaking up on issues affecting women's rights, and think he's justified in doing so, is incredibly tedious. You think you can badger us into silence but you're wrong. I'm a mother of daughters. This is a hill I'm willing to die on, as are many others.
MULIEBRITY, STOP RAISING ZAGARNA'S IRE! WE NEED RAIN THIS YEAR FOR THE CROPS AND IF YOU ANGER HIM HE WILL WITHHOLD RAIN! PLEASE DO NOT FORCE HIM TO PUNISH US.
If you are going to nit-pick, you had better nit-pick correctly. The librarian drew the line at "male" so there was nothing they could have said that would have been acceptable.
He said you cannot use the word male to refer to тАЬtransgender femalesтАЭ because it is not respectful. Assuming IтАЩm correct that he means trans women when he says transgender females heтАЩs clearly not allowing male
Given that many people use the word "men" to refer to sex, I am skeptical that progressives will be successful in getting everyone to accept that "men" and "women" refer to gender by fiat. Only the most devoted activists and followers of any given issue care about these language games.
Yeah, despite the attempts to make "man" mean something other than "biological male" I can't help but, you know, use the language the way 99% of humans understand it. I'm not going to call people "natal males" or "biological males" when the context doesn't merit it. Obviously if you were discussing specific trans issues, that level of clarification makes sense and is necessary, but in most conversations, when I say, "I saw some guy crossing the street" I assume the listener knows I mean "a human with a penis who is biologically male."
I am all for language evolving, but if this process is synthetic and causes more confusion it might be more like GMO fruit vs "oh, what a weird thing nature made by accident!" I get tired of word games pretty quickly.
I'm not sure that this is making the point you want to be making here. Most of the objections to GMO fruit are complete bullshit-- just appeals to the naturalistic fallacy with no scientific validity. By analogy, that would suggest that claims that transphobic language is "just natural" ought to be discounted.
Yes, the way we use it colloquially sometimes, as in, hey guys, is genderless. But saying, hey guys, to a group as opposed to staying тАЬwhere is that guy?тАЭ are very different things, and most people would understand the difference.
Cutting your tits off and going on hormones doesn't make you a man. Nor a surgically constructed fake penis. Sorry.
And that goes triple the other direction.
It is not really up for debate you ridiculous troll. People were willing to be polite to these people until they demanded policing reality and speech with nonsense as a requirement.
I listened to it twice. He used the words male and female to refer to gender identity. In other words, a trans woman was referred to as female. This is not uncommon these days, but it makes it impossible to talk about males in women's sports, for example. And it muddies the waters in general to such a degree that it is impossible to talk or even to think clearly about these issues.
I believe the comment was тАЬmales in womenтАЩs sportsтАЭ; we absolutely need to be consistent in stating that properly sexing an individual or group is appropriate.
The comment in question did not stick to that terminology, though. It explicitly said "men in women's sports." Not "natal males" or whatever. Men.
If you are going to toe that line, you had better toe it correctly. These speakers didn't. Whether that should be legally dispositive of anything is a different kettle of fish altogether, but let's not misrepresent what happened here.
"If you are going to toe that line, you had better toe it correctly."
Yes, because men on the Left like you are just champing at the bit to police our speech.
Good thing we don't need men to police women's speech on an issue directly affecting women.
I find it surprising that your Rah Rah One Hundred Percent Real Woman schtick doesn't get old for everyone else here, because literally every comment you post is the same repetitive transphobic garbage. Me, I find it incredibly tedious.
Funny. Reading a pompous man on the Left repeatedly direct ire at women speaking up on issues affecting women's rights, and think he's justified in doing so, is incredibly tedious. You think you can badger us into silence but you're wrong. I'm a mother of daughters. This is a hill I'm willing to die on, as are many others.
MULIEBRITY, STOP RAISING ZAGARNA'S IRE! WE NEED RAIN THIS YEAR FOR THE CROPS AND IF YOU ANGER HIM HE WILL WITHHOLD RAIN! PLEASE DO NOT FORCE HIM TO PUNISH US.
I direct ire at transphobes of every gender. You just happen to be a particularly mendacious example of the species.
The fact that you repeatedly invoke your cishet femaleness does not mean that anyone who disagrees with you is thereby engaging in sex discrimination.
Serious question- How is accurately sexing an individual transphobic?
Or, put differently, how is properly sexing an individual or group invalidating oneтАЩs gender identity?
If you are going to nit-pick, you had better nit-pick correctly. The librarian drew the line at "male" so there was nothing they could have said that would have been acceptable.
Listen to it again.
I did. 1:03:30.
He said you cannot use the word male to refer to тАЬtransgender femalesтАЭ because it is not respectful. Assuming IтАЩm correct that he means trans women when he says transgender females heтАЩs clearly not allowing male
Given that many people use the word "men" to refer to sex, I am skeptical that progressives will be successful in getting everyone to accept that "men" and "women" refer to gender by fiat. Only the most devoted activists and followers of any given issue care about these language games.
Yeah, despite the attempts to make "man" mean something other than "biological male" I can't help but, you know, use the language the way 99% of humans understand it. I'm not going to call people "natal males" or "biological males" when the context doesn't merit it. Obviously if you were discussing specific trans issues, that level of clarification makes sense and is necessary, but in most conversations, when I say, "I saw some guy crossing the street" I assume the listener knows I mean "a human with a penis who is biologically male."
Yep. This is the standard among linguists, by the way: Words mean what native speakers of the language understand them to mean.
I am all for language evolving, but if this process is synthetic and causes more confusion it might be more like GMO fruit vs "oh, what a weird thing nature made by accident!" I get tired of word games pretty quickly.
I'm not sure that this is making the point you want to be making here. Most of the objections to GMO fruit are complete bullshit-- just appeals to the naturalistic fallacy with no scientific validity. By analogy, that would suggest that claims that transphobic language is "just natural" ought to be discounted.
Yes, the way we use it colloquially sometimes, as in, hey guys, is genderless. But saying, hey guys, to a group as opposed to staying тАЬwhere is that guy?тАЭ are very different things, and most people would understand the difference.
Cutting your tits off and going on hormones doesn't make you a man. Nor a surgically constructed fake penis. Sorry.
And that goes triple the other direction.
It is not really up for debate you ridiculous troll. People were willing to be polite to these people until they demanded policing reality and speech with nonsense as a requirement.
Well, I guess that settles it! You have declared it Not Up For Debate, therefore, the debate is concluded. Good to know.
Yeah. I'm not trying to convince anyone. I was substantially more polite on this issue until the TWAW stuff happened.
But if people are going to be disingenuous bullies, well you can bully the broken weirdos right back.
I listened to it twice. He used the words male and female to refer to gender identity. In other words, a trans woman was referred to as female. This is not uncommon these days, but it makes it impossible to talk about males in women's sports, for example. And it muddies the waters in general to such a degree that it is impossible to talk or even to think clearly about these issues.
I believe the comment was тАЬmales in womenтАЩs sportsтАЭ; we absolutely need to be consistent in stating that properly sexing an individual or group is appropriate.
That was not the comment, or at least not the relevant comment, but thanks for playing.