LOL, did you just get out of a coma? Take a look at the history of policing in this country, or in Canada, or <gestures at communist nations both current and historical> and tell me what exactly was “civilized” about the way they treated people.
TIL “far right” means “wanting to limit the state’s ability to leverage its monopoly on violen…
LOL, did you just get out of a coma? Take a look at the history of policing in this country, or in Canada, or <gestures at communist nations both current and historical> and tell me what exactly was “civilized” about the way they treated people.
TIL “far right” means “wanting to limit the state’s ability to leverage its monopoly on violence”. Someone tell the protesters from 2020 that they’re basically Chris Rufo!
The day that I can run this argument through chatGPT and have it say, “pretty weak; have you considered posting this on Reddit in 2006?” is the day I’ll believe that AI has not only arrived but is friendly.
What kind of school did you go to where kindergarten teachers choked unarmed people to death by the way? That must be the reason you’re trying to draw an equivalence between two dramatically different professions that have next to nothing in common other than public funding. It would be incredibly dumb to make such a facile connection otherwise, so I feel bad for your fellow schoolmates that you had to deal with that trauma.
Now, I’m a bit worried Chris Hansen is gonna bust into my den and expose me for trying to take advantage of an intellectual adolescent but let me spell it out for you: “he who pays the piper calls the tune”. There’s a reason that phrase has existed for ages: the person paying for something gets to define the terms of service. What you seem to want is for the piper to be paid and choose what tune to play while beating the shit out of people and violating constitutional rights. And why? Just because of some weird fetishization of labor.
This is a bit of a reductio ad Hitler but I doubt you can handle anything more subtle than a banal swipe at someone who’s the epitome of “far right” so: You know the people standing on guard towers in Dachau? They were working for a paycheck. They all lost their jobs abruptly in April 1945 during a hostile takeover of their office space, but I’m not too disappointed - because performing a task in exchange for money doesn’t make you special, and it doesn’t give you any kind of moral superiority.
I don’t care that cops work. So do washing machines. I don’t get to opt out of paying their salaries, so I should get to be choosy about whose labor I pay for. I wouldn’t pay a kindergarten teacher who choked kids out and planted sugar cookies on them; I don’t want to pay for bad cops either.
I forgot he’s a lawyer; it’s so hard to understand how partisans can walk upright let alone have jobs. Their brains are like taking a computer monitor and turning the resolution down really low so that simple information becomes needlessly hard to process.
I checked out his profile because I wanted the answer to “what kind of nutcase holds views that are diametrically opposed to this podcast”. There’s two - him and a teacher (coincidentally both think unions are always good).
Ah, ok, that makes a lot of sense. I know people like this - the “what do you mean Upton Sinclair’s book was fiction?” type. I sometimes wonder what these people would be doing in an alternate universe where Twitter and its meme ideologies don’t exist.
It also really highlights the luxury belief angle here. These are cosseted professionals who never think the police will ever hurt them and for whom defunding the police seems like a fun academic exercise with no real world consequences. But if unions go away, well, poof go their paychecks.
It's an astounding feat of illogic that you can take my arguing that police have the right to bargain over pay and benefits and spin it into me somehow being a defunder. Like those two ideas are literally diametrically opposite to each other.
The fact that you evidently are unable to form minimally coherent thoughts is unfortunate, but I'll thank you not to attribute those idiocies to me by way of straw men.
Rather than go line-by-line on this gibberish, I will simply point out that your argument is an argument for the repeal of the National Labor Relations Act (and, for that matter, Title VII and any other employee-protective legislation). Since I happen to believe that Workers Having Rights Is Good, Actually, I see no reason to further engage.
I love that you can’t see that “work” in the abstract doesn’t grant anyone special privileges, particularly when those workers get to misbehave with (qualified) immunity. Try rotating shapes some time; take Excedrin for any headaches, Aleve for any cramps.
Literally every time there’s a left leaning protest - people shouting “hire more women prison guards!” or “down with Israel but it’s not because we’re perpetuating the left’s historical antisemitism problem, we pinky swear!” - and cops shut it down, Tumblr blogs everywhere light up with their “oh of course the cops are mean to us but they don’t ever shut down {some right wing event}”. Ok, the way to fix that is by removing cops’ worker protections because, and I can’t say this loudly enough, they are not the same as private employees because we, their clients, cannot opt out of paying them.
Enable them, coddle them, but then don’t act surprised when bad things happen and nothing changes.
“‘I can’t believe leopards ate my face’ says man who consistently supported protections for face eating leopard industry”
"We" can absolutely opt out of paying them by electing defunders, whom you seem to both oppose and support, simultaneously, as convenience dictates. Most people do not want to do that, which, fair enough.
"Turn cops into serfs without rights," however, is a nonsensical "solution". I mean why stop there, why not just enslave them? Sure no one competent will ever sign up for such a thing, so you'll have to start enslaving people at random, but we're far past the point of accepting that actions have consequences here.
When your company realizes you’re a medium talent who cheated through your 5th tier law school and fires you, that is simply an employer opting to not continue paying for labor it doesn’t find adequate. It’s not serfdom, just price signals. Cops don’t need to be a underclass, they just need to be subject to the same requirement (“perform to the standards of your employer or lose your job”) the rest of us working people are.
This seems basic so I’m going to assume your brain’s refusal to accept this information is either bad faith trolling on your part or a sign that you really are not competent to stand trial according to most state intelligence quotient standards.
Hmm. Man, if only there was some kind of document that set "standards" in the workplace. Some kind of agreement. Possibly one established through some kind of bargaining. Maybe even collective bargaining.
I personally don’t need the collective to help me bargain; they’ll just protect the low performers (see: teachers unions) at the expense of the craft. I can do fine negotiating as an individual. I feel bad for folks who feel they can’t survive on their own though. Must make the world a pretty scary place.
LOL, did you just get out of a coma? Take a look at the history of policing in this country, or in Canada, or <gestures at communist nations both current and historical> and tell me what exactly was “civilized” about the way they treated people.
TIL “far right” means “wanting to limit the state’s ability to leverage its monopoly on violence”. Someone tell the protesters from 2020 that they’re basically Chris Rufo!
Those kindergarten teachers sure are misusing their monopoly on violence!
Don't dump anti-union piss on my head and tell me it's raining.
The day that I can run this argument through chatGPT and have it say, “pretty weak; have you considered posting this on Reddit in 2006?” is the day I’ll believe that AI has not only arrived but is friendly.
What kind of school did you go to where kindergarten teachers choked unarmed people to death by the way? That must be the reason you’re trying to draw an equivalence between two dramatically different professions that have next to nothing in common other than public funding. It would be incredibly dumb to make such a facile connection otherwise, so I feel bad for your fellow schoolmates that you had to deal with that trauma.
Now, I’m a bit worried Chris Hansen is gonna bust into my den and expose me for trying to take advantage of an intellectual adolescent but let me spell it out for you: “he who pays the piper calls the tune”. There’s a reason that phrase has existed for ages: the person paying for something gets to define the terms of service. What you seem to want is for the piper to be paid and choose what tune to play while beating the shit out of people and violating constitutional rights. And why? Just because of some weird fetishization of labor.
This is a bit of a reductio ad Hitler but I doubt you can handle anything more subtle than a banal swipe at someone who’s the epitome of “far right” so: You know the people standing on guard towers in Dachau? They were working for a paycheck. They all lost their jobs abruptly in April 1945 during a hostile takeover of their office space, but I’m not too disappointed - because performing a task in exchange for money doesn’t make you special, and it doesn’t give you any kind of moral superiority.
I don’t care that cops work. So do washing machines. I don’t get to opt out of paying their salaries, so I should get to be choosy about whose labor I pay for. I wouldn’t pay a kindergarten teacher who choked kids out and planted sugar cookies on them; I don’t want to pay for bad cops either.
Unions always good, doncha know. Obviously a far left labor lawyer’s pronouncements should be taken as gospel truth on this matter.
I forgot he’s a lawyer; it’s so hard to understand how partisans can walk upright let alone have jobs. Their brains are like taking a computer monitor and turning the resolution down really low so that simple information becomes needlessly hard to process.
I checked out his profile because I wanted the answer to “what kind of nutcase holds views that are diametrically opposed to this podcast”. There’s two - him and a teacher (coincidentally both think unions are always good).
Ah, ok, that makes a lot of sense. I know people like this - the “what do you mean Upton Sinclair’s book was fiction?” type. I sometimes wonder what these people would be doing in an alternate universe where Twitter and its meme ideologies don’t exist.
It also really highlights the luxury belief angle here. These are cosseted professionals who never think the police will ever hurt them and for whom defunding the police seems like a fun academic exercise with no real world consequences. But if unions go away, well, poof go their paychecks.
It's an astounding feat of illogic that you can take my arguing that police have the right to bargain over pay and benefits and spin it into me somehow being a defunder. Like those two ideas are literally diametrically opposite to each other.
The fact that you evidently are unable to form minimally coherent thoughts is unfortunate, but I'll thank you not to attribute those idiocies to me by way of straw men.
Put your mom’s credit card back and apologize for buying a subscription to BARPod with it.
I have never once heard Jesse or Katie express views hostile to the cause of labor; if I did, I would immediately cancel my subscription.
Rather than go line-by-line on this gibberish, I will simply point out that your argument is an argument for the repeal of the National Labor Relations Act (and, for that matter, Title VII and any other employee-protective legislation). Since I happen to believe that Workers Having Rights Is Good, Actually, I see no reason to further engage.
I love that you can’t see that “work” in the abstract doesn’t grant anyone special privileges, particularly when those workers get to misbehave with (qualified) immunity. Try rotating shapes some time; take Excedrin for any headaches, Aleve for any cramps.
"Special privileges" like... collective bargaining? You know, that concept that is recognized as a universal human right by international law?
I'm trying to rotate the shape of this argument into something that resembles logical reasoning, and so far I am coming up empty.
Literally every time there’s a left leaning protest - people shouting “hire more women prison guards!” or “down with Israel but it’s not because we’re perpetuating the left’s historical antisemitism problem, we pinky swear!” - and cops shut it down, Tumblr blogs everywhere light up with their “oh of course the cops are mean to us but they don’t ever shut down {some right wing event}”. Ok, the way to fix that is by removing cops’ worker protections because, and I can’t say this loudly enough, they are not the same as private employees because we, their clients, cannot opt out of paying them.
Enable them, coddle them, but then don’t act surprised when bad things happen and nothing changes.
“‘I can’t believe leopards ate my face’ says man who consistently supported protections for face eating leopard industry”
"We" can absolutely opt out of paying them by electing defunders, whom you seem to both oppose and support, simultaneously, as convenience dictates. Most people do not want to do that, which, fair enough.
"Turn cops into serfs without rights," however, is a nonsensical "solution". I mean why stop there, why not just enslave them? Sure no one competent will ever sign up for such a thing, so you'll have to start enslaving people at random, but we're far past the point of accepting that actions have consequences here.
When your company realizes you’re a medium talent who cheated through your 5th tier law school and fires you, that is simply an employer opting to not continue paying for labor it doesn’t find adequate. It’s not serfdom, just price signals. Cops don’t need to be a underclass, they just need to be subject to the same requirement (“perform to the standards of your employer or lose your job”) the rest of us working people are.
This seems basic so I’m going to assume your brain’s refusal to accept this information is either bad faith trolling on your part or a sign that you really are not competent to stand trial according to most state intelligence quotient standards.
Hmm. Man, if only there was some kind of document that set "standards" in the workplace. Some kind of agreement. Possibly one established through some kind of bargaining. Maybe even collective bargaining.
What a concept!
I personally don’t need the collective to help me bargain; they’ll just protect the low performers (see: teachers unions) at the expense of the craft. I can do fine negotiating as an individual. I feel bad for folks who feel they can’t survive on their own though. Must make the world a pretty scary place.