It ain’t just Biblical but it’s historical. Some things are historical fact unfortunately. As much as narratives are compelling and seem to make sense, sometimes those pesky realities get in the way.
Oh well. I don’t know what you think should have happened to the Jews who had fled there from literal genocide or those who had been there for over 4000 years but I’m sure it isn’t as easy an answer as it was for the Arabs in the area who were able to literally have their choice of …. Every other country in the entire region… to move to. Of which there was one that had an eerily identical culture to them… called Transjordan.
Can’t the two of you see that both peoples have a deep claim on this land and thus obviously both need somewhere to live and we can’t expect the other just to pack up and go because the other side thinks their claim is x years longer?
Sure. If I lived in utopia that would be the result. Unfortunately those two groups have developed a complicated relationship over centuries of forced conversions, conquest, expulsion and persecution. So to assume that there is any way that both groups can occupy such a tiny strip of land in peace is naive.
If there was a way of achieving that perfect ideal solution, we would have gotten there already. Instead, we’re further from it than ever because people let the perfect be the enemy of the good. People would rather strive for solutions that will never happen than face reality and force the shitty compromise.
Yep. All of this. Many people find it difficult to be morally and philosophically consistent. They oppose identitarianism — except when it benefits a group they identify with.
Yeah… sometimes this stuff sounds a lot like “Judaism is an older religion than Islam and therefore Jews can do whatever they want in Israel because they are Gods chosen people of the region”. Not great!!
It ain’t just Biblical but it’s historical. Some things are historical fact unfortunately. As much as narratives are compelling and seem to make sense, sometimes those pesky realities get in the way.
Oh well. I don’t know what you think should have happened to the Jews who had fled there from literal genocide or those who had been there for over 4000 years but I’m sure it isn’t as easy an answer as it was for the Arabs in the area who were able to literally have their choice of …. Every other country in the entire region… to move to. Of which there was one that had an eerily identical culture to them… called Transjordan.
Can’t the two of you see that both peoples have a deep claim on this land and thus obviously both need somewhere to live and we can’t expect the other just to pack up and go because the other side thinks their claim is x years longer?
Sure. If I lived in utopia that would be the result. Unfortunately those two groups have developed a complicated relationship over centuries of forced conversions, conquest, expulsion and persecution. So to assume that there is any way that both groups can occupy such a tiny strip of land in peace is naive.
If there was a way of achieving that perfect ideal solution, we would have gotten there already. Instead, we’re further from it than ever because people let the perfect be the enemy of the good. People would rather strive for solutions that will never happen than face reality and force the shitty compromise.
I think there should be two states. It’s not reasonable to expect either group to leave
Yep. All of this. Many people find it difficult to be morally and philosophically consistent. They oppose identitarianism — except when it benefits a group they identify with.
Yeah… sometimes this stuff sounds a lot like “Judaism is an older religion than Islam and therefore Jews can do whatever they want in Israel because they are Gods chosen people of the region”. Not great!!