What about all the missiles the people he loves are firing from southern Lebanon into Israel? It's not wrong to be happy that the terroist group behind thsese missile attacks was weakened.
What about all the missiles the people he loves are firing from southern Lebanon into Israel? It's not wrong to be happy that the terroist group behind thsese missile attacks was weakened.
Not really. Defensive actions may be unpleasant, but not "bad" by any objective reasoning. And if you've never made a peep about the missile bombardment from Southern Lebanon into Israel, frankly I question your motivation.
Im not of the opinion that Israel should do nothing etc. I’m not well informed enough to hold a position about how much force and when and where should be used.
But without knowing anything about the conflict I’m saying that I think the pacifist position is clearly an ethically consistent one. That is if someone is indeed decrying violent actions by all sides then that is a morally consistent point of view.
Obviously it’s fair to disagree and say that pacifism is wrong and counter attacks are essential. But arguing against the attack in itself isn’t anti semetic / pro hezbollah if someone is also arguing that Israel should also not be attacked
"Pacifism always" is morally consistent in the same way that "harassment is bad so we should never talk to anyone" is morally consistent. It's naive to the point of childishness and it's extremely dangerous in the wrong situation. No one can afford to be a pacifist when your door is being smashed in by a group of violent boys. The pacifist father there is a moral monster.
The point is that people don’t even seem to understand that some people genuinely believe that it’s impossible to be against violence committed by all parties in I/P. someone can hate Netanyahu, Hamas, and Hezbollah.
Decrying celebration of violent actions taken by Israel does not make one pro-Islamist terrorism.
>Decrying celebration of violent actions taken by Israel does not make one pro-Islamist terrorism
Sure. Unless they're *only* decrying the celebration of violence taken by Israel and its allies. Then the person's motivations are a hell of a lot more suspect.
Well people are making that assertion after seeing the evidence, afaict. You think there aren't people out there who are mostly mum on issues of global conflict except in the case of Israel?
There are such people of course, but in my experience of real people (not the twitter brained) their numbers are dwarfed by those generally horrified by escalating violence from all sides. It’s bad faith to assume anyone criticizing Israel is probably in the former category.
I have no idea what the numbers are. I'm just talking about that group of people. I don't assume anyone who criticizes Israel is anti-semitic, or I'd be a hypocrite. As an aside, I do hate how this conflict has opened my eyes about some of Israel's evil. Life was easier when I was just a wide-eyed pro-Israel sycophant. Now I have to be a fiercely pro-Israel supporter while also including some throat-clearing. Annoying. Fucking get it together, Israel, you guys are supposed to be 100% the good guys
What about all the missiles the people he loves are firing from southern Lebanon into Israel? It's not wrong to be happy that the terroist group behind thsese missile attacks was weakened.
It’s possible to believe that both the things are bad!
Not really. Defensive actions may be unpleasant, but not "bad" by any objective reasoning. And if you've never made a peep about the missile bombardment from Southern Lebanon into Israel, frankly I question your motivation.
Im not of the opinion that Israel should do nothing etc. I’m not well informed enough to hold a position about how much force and when and where should be used.
But without knowing anything about the conflict I’m saying that I think the pacifist position is clearly an ethically consistent one. That is if someone is indeed decrying violent actions by all sides then that is a morally consistent point of view.
Obviously it’s fair to disagree and say that pacifism is wrong and counter attacks are essential. But arguing against the attack in itself isn’t anti semetic / pro hezbollah if someone is also arguing that Israel should also not be attacked
"Pacifism always" is morally consistent in the same way that "harassment is bad so we should never talk to anyone" is morally consistent. It's naive to the point of childishness and it's extremely dangerous in the wrong situation. No one can afford to be a pacifist when your door is being smashed in by a group of violent boys. The pacifist father there is a moral monster.
The point is that people don’t even seem to understand that some people genuinely believe that it’s impossible to be against violence committed by all parties in I/P. someone can hate Netanyahu, Hamas, and Hezbollah.
Decrying celebration of violent actions taken by Israel does not make one pro-Islamist terrorism.
>Decrying celebration of violent actions taken by Israel does not make one pro-Islamist terrorism
Sure. Unless they're *only* decrying the celebration of violence taken by Israel and its allies. Then the person's motivations are a hell of a lot more suspect.
Yes but that’s not what’s going on. People are making that assertion without evidence afaict
Well people are making that assertion after seeing the evidence, afaict. You think there aren't people out there who are mostly mum on issues of global conflict except in the case of Israel?
There are such people of course, but in my experience of real people (not the twitter brained) their numbers are dwarfed by those generally horrified by escalating violence from all sides. It’s bad faith to assume anyone criticizing Israel is probably in the former category.
I have no idea what the numbers are. I'm just talking about that group of people. I don't assume anyone who criticizes Israel is anti-semitic, or I'd be a hypocrite. As an aside, I do hate how this conflict has opened my eyes about some of Israel's evil. Life was easier when I was just a wide-eyed pro-Israel sycophant. Now I have to be a fiercely pro-Israel supporter while also including some throat-clearing. Annoying. Fucking get it together, Israel, you guys are supposed to be 100% the good guys