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Purrfur's avatar

Some of the Northern towns may want immigrants. Though I would bet not everyone in those towns does. But there are probably other towns which are getting excess immigrants that really don't want them.

And I think the governing elites (for lack of a better term) ignore or shit on the latter group you described. And I think there concerns are legitimate.

And I don't know if this is politically sustainable. You are seeing parties in Europe winning elections that couldn't before almost entirely on immigration.

If only fascists will control immigration eventually the public will vote for fascists.

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My file's avatar

>Though I would bet not everyone in those towns does.

Indeed, this was the point of the last paragraph of my post. This is a result of decades of decline and neglect of these communities.

>But there are probably other towns which are getting excess immigrants that really don't want them.

We have to be clear here that there is a difference between illegal and legal immigration. These towns all want legal immigration, desperately. No town wants to have to deal with illegal immigration. Its a huge strain on services for a population that cannot legally work and have no money to spend.

>And I think the governing elites (for lack of a better term) ignore or shit on the latter group you described. And I think there concerns are legitimate.

Of course they don't but that's capitalism baby, why do you think these towns ended up desperate for immigration in the first place? They can either have immigrants or move to London. Why should the south east pay for the north? What is the other option? What are the fascists going to do to save Blackpool?

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Purrfur's avatar

To me this seems to be the neoliberal approach of just throwing more and more labor into the economy in hopes of goosing GDP and ignoring everything else. Including cultural and quality of life concerns

And illegal immigration just shouldn't (ideally) exist at all. Illegal immigrants should not get in or be deported as quickly as possible. In America a lot, perhaps most, of the immigration anger is against illegal immigration. We must have control.

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My file's avatar

Deported where? We are on an island, they are turning up without a passport or any identification. Plus we have an asylum system, they may be refugees.

These are really difficult subjects, they are complex and there are no easy answers. I certainly don't have any but, if I could pick, I would start by having an honest conversation about it both the bad and the good but its so politicised it's essentially become impossible.

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Purrfur's avatar

Deport them back to wherever they came from. If they are given genuine asylum they aren't there illegally.

But you can have a discussion about who should get asylum and how many.

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My file's avatar

They arrive via France but where they are from is a different question, France are not keen on taking anybody back there. Apart from a few specific schemes for specific countries it is extremely difficult to claim asylum in the UK without illegally entering the country. If you are not intending to claim asylum but were intending to disappear into the black market workforce one option, if caught, is to claim you are stateless or refuse to say where you are from at all. Even if you have a legitimate asylum claim you may see this as your safest option.

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A.B.Johnson Esq.'s avatar

Why would anybody in France need to claim asylum in Britian? Is the price of a decent Bordeaux red getting that out of hand?

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Wishing On Space Hardware's avatar

They're not from France - France is just the closest mainland European country to England. They come in through the usual ways into the EU and use the freedom of movement to make it to Calais before attempting to get over the channel.

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El's avatar

Because they speak English and not French and think they might be more employable, or because they have family already in the UK. Also, the word on the street is that the UK is more welcoming than France. It probably isn't true but that's what is being sold.

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Purrfur's avatar

Perhaps the UK could contract with a third country to deport so called stateless people to? I thought that was being worked on

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