What's irritating is that it's proffered as if one or the other, it's not. Both can be true at the same time. In reading the court trancripts there were untold (and some told) red flags, many whistleblowers who were ignored for years. CEO Tony Chambers stalling police and investigations, then walking scot-free of all culpability is strik…
What's irritating is that it's proffered as if one or the other, it's not. Both can be true at the same time. In reading the court trancripts there were untold (and some told) red flags, many whistleblowers who were ignored for years. CEO Tony Chambers stalling police and investigations, then walking scot-free of all culpability is striking enough. Also missing here is any real delve into Letby's psychological makeup; yes she looked 'normal' in her posted pics, but her stoic behaviour in court other than physically leaving her chair and desolving into (the only) emotional display of hysterical tears when the doctor she was potentially having an affair with spoke, has some bearing - this was not a stable individual.
Oh, I rolled my eyes when Katie went on about how ‘normal’ Letby seemed as though it mattered, and I have little interest in how ‘weird’ she might have seemed in court. People are terrible at ‘reading’ someone’s interior mental state from stuff like that; you might as well read her horoscope.
It's worth mentioning that Letby wasn't actually that normal - she was considered "cold" by her assessor when she was completing nursing training, and seemed to lack the ability to pick up on non-verbal signals of anxiety/distress from parents, suggesting a lack of empathy.
Agreed Her parent's actions, too, both before and after the trial are telling. My irritation with the conspiracists is not about strong feelings one way or the other regarding Letby. What inflames me are two things; the dissemination of facts and evidence. I've been listening to Maria Ressa (How to Stand Up to a Dictator), and her most vehement warning are the dangers of fracturing a shared reality. If there are no 'facts', it creates a vaccum for anything at all, and it's never good. I also detest bullies. That these poor broken people are being harassed and having to relive their worst moments is appalling. I recall the same with Nicola Bulley (if you're in the UK, you'll remember it). She fell into a river during a morning riverside walk and drowned. It was clear that that was what happened, yet all these conspiracists came out of their basements saying everything from that it was a police cover-up to her 'husband did it'. I'm surprised they didn't blame the family dog. They harassed him into hiding, this grief-stricken man. Disgusting.
Cards on the table, I think the Letby conviction is probably is unsafe and won’t hold up. That said, I can’t stand the online peanut gallery either, of people with no accountability or skin in the game making themselves the protagonists on the story on online fora. The establishment fucks up all the time but compared to these self-important idiots it’s a paragon of competence. If you let them try the job themselves they’d create a dumpster fire within ten minutes, which come to think of it is the exact situation currently enveloping the US government.
It will hold up. 22 babies overall and 10 months of thorough investigation - one only has to read the court transcripts. We trolled through mountains of evidence, articles, testiomonies. She's there for life. Would love to say this will highlight the importance of accountability and holding the CEO's responsible now and in future, but it won't. It infuriates the CEO got away with it, and it's the grieving parents who are the ones chased in the streets.
From my quite-distant perspective the pathological evidence of foul play just seems too muddled, with at least four different methods in the charges she was convicted of and a patchwork of different symptoms and evidence for each of them. It looks pretty consistent with a cluster of unrelated random deaths being pinned on a common cause after the fact, rather than a single person working methodically. Of course, she herself said on the stand that she agreed someone on the ward *was* poisoning babies (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/18/lucy-letby-says-poisoning-of-two-babies-with-insulin-was-not-by-her-court-hears), which was IMO a catastrophic error from the defence: if there was a killer on the ward at all, it was surely her. Her best defence was that the deaths were accidental and she seems to have thrown it away. This is just my idle speculation, I don’t expect it to convince anyone with an entrenched position on this… but if I were a betting man I know which way I’d go.
It’s like the McCann case, isn’t it? All these armchair sleuths who just KNOW there must be a conspiracy, so they tirelessly spread their half-truths as far as they can.
What's irritating is that it's proffered as if one or the other, it's not. Both can be true at the same time. In reading the court trancripts there were untold (and some told) red flags, many whistleblowers who were ignored for years. CEO Tony Chambers stalling police and investigations, then walking scot-free of all culpability is striking enough. Also missing here is any real delve into Letby's psychological makeup; yes she looked 'normal' in her posted pics, but her stoic behaviour in court other than physically leaving her chair and desolving into (the only) emotional display of hysterical tears when the doctor she was potentially having an affair with spoke, has some bearing - this was not a stable individual.
Oh, I rolled my eyes when Katie went on about how ‘normal’ Letby seemed as though it mattered, and I have little interest in how ‘weird’ she might have seemed in court. People are terrible at ‘reading’ someone’s interior mental state from stuff like that; you might as well read her horoscope.
It's worth mentioning that Letby wasn't actually that normal - she was considered "cold" by her assessor when she was completing nursing training, and seemed to lack the ability to pick up on non-verbal signals of anxiety/distress from parents, suggesting a lack of empathy.
Agreed Her parent's actions, too, both before and after the trial are telling. My irritation with the conspiracists is not about strong feelings one way or the other regarding Letby. What inflames me are two things; the dissemination of facts and evidence. I've been listening to Maria Ressa (How to Stand Up to a Dictator), and her most vehement warning are the dangers of fracturing a shared reality. If there are no 'facts', it creates a vaccum for anything at all, and it's never good. I also detest bullies. That these poor broken people are being harassed and having to relive their worst moments is appalling. I recall the same with Nicola Bulley (if you're in the UK, you'll remember it). She fell into a river during a morning riverside walk and drowned. It was clear that that was what happened, yet all these conspiracists came out of their basements saying everything from that it was a police cover-up to her 'husband did it'. I'm surprised they didn't blame the family dog. They harassed him into hiding, this grief-stricken man. Disgusting.
Cards on the table, I think the Letby conviction is probably is unsafe and won’t hold up. That said, I can’t stand the online peanut gallery either, of people with no accountability or skin in the game making themselves the protagonists on the story on online fora. The establishment fucks up all the time but compared to these self-important idiots it’s a paragon of competence. If you let them try the job themselves they’d create a dumpster fire within ten minutes, which come to think of it is the exact situation currently enveloping the US government.
It will hold up. 22 babies overall and 10 months of thorough investigation - one only has to read the court transcripts. We trolled through mountains of evidence, articles, testiomonies. She's there for life. Would love to say this will highlight the importance of accountability and holding the CEO's responsible now and in future, but it won't. It infuriates the CEO got away with it, and it's the grieving parents who are the ones chased in the streets.
From my quite-distant perspective the pathological evidence of foul play just seems too muddled, with at least four different methods in the charges she was convicted of and a patchwork of different symptoms and evidence for each of them. It looks pretty consistent with a cluster of unrelated random deaths being pinned on a common cause after the fact, rather than a single person working methodically. Of course, she herself said on the stand that she agreed someone on the ward *was* poisoning babies (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/18/lucy-letby-says-poisoning-of-two-babies-with-insulin-was-not-by-her-court-hears), which was IMO a catastrophic error from the defence: if there was a killer on the ward at all, it was surely her. Her best defence was that the deaths were accidental and she seems to have thrown it away. This is just my idle speculation, I don’t expect it to convince anyone with an entrenched position on this… but if I were a betting man I know which way I’d go.
It’s like the McCann case, isn’t it? All these armchair sleuths who just KNOW there must be a conspiracy, so they tirelessly spread their half-truths as far as they can.
You nailed it with the capitalized 'KNOW'. It was the same with Jon-Benet Ramsey. I'm always nervous when armchair 'sleuths' profess to KNOW.