Everyone argues "oh my team is so independent it's like herding cats, the opposition marches in lockstep" and "oh my team can't get anything done, it's the enemy that is frighteningly effective." I've heard both from Republicans and Democrats (or conservatives and progressives if you broaden it) countless times. I think it's just a cope for when your team is losing.
Everyone argues "oh my team is so independent it's like herding cats, the opposition marches in lockstep" and "oh my team can't get anything done, it's the enemy that is frighteningly effective." I've heard both from Republicans and Democrats (or conservatives and progressives if you broaden it) countless times. I think it's just a cope for when your team is losing.
Pretending that the prevailing behavior by our elected reps isn't odd *is* a damn odd thing to do, unless you're MAGA strategists trying to Jedi Mind Trick everybody into think this is normal. Disagree if you want, but that's my argument.
Ok. But what is it that you are referring to exactly? That they all agree or at least got behind Trump in a big way or what? What is the strategy that they are employing that is abnormal?
And if you do please respond concisely and completely and tell it to me like I’m five because it’s hard to understand you.
You seem quite dependent on poisoning the well to hedge your arguments. You've done that in ALL of your replies to me in this thread, either on the way in or the way out. It's very, *very* lame.
I don't expect to be perfectly understood by everyone, but your particular gambit here is pretty transparent: lay the groundwork for the plausible excuse that it's not that your argument stinks, it's that's MY speech is equal parts:
(A) Impenetrable ivory tower prose:
-- "Most of that was gibberish because I guess I’m not as smart as you or something, but [...]"
-- "[...] please respond concisely and completely and tell it to me like I’m five [...]"
(B) Unintelligible ape-man jibber-jabber:
--"IDK what Greg is going on about."
--"[...] because it’s hard to understand you."
(C) A touch of the regular ol' crazy-crazy:
-- "If only we could read minds like he does…"
OP started with a general statements. Replies have been in a general vein, but now you won't allow that I'm capable of rational discourse until I demonstrate my point with greater specificity that this conversation heretofore has required...
Pass.
Yeah, I know I'm I little eccentric in the way I communicate. Sometimes I go over people's heads or I makes mistakes in reading someone's tone. When that happens, people usually just ask me to clarify, or they ask me questions without contractual conditions. But most of the time, people understand me just fine.
Dude, again, wtf? I said tell it to me like I’m 5 because everything you’ve said there makes no fucking sense. To me anyway.
I got that there was a disagreement but I’m pretty sure in my opinion so to counter your opinion and do a thing called a discussion I have to understand what the fuck your are saying.
So I challenged you to leave out all the unnecessary blah blah and speak like a normal person. If you can’t or won’t do that then fine, but don’t tell me I’m poisoning the well by pointing out you make no sense.
That’s the same thing as getting a billion face tattoos and piercings and sub-dermal implants and then getting mad at me for staring.
Honestly I think you write that way to sound smart to get a point by that alone and I’m not buying it.
I heard once that smart people make complex ideas seem simple, and dumb people make simple ideas seem complex.
Now I’m not saying you’re dumb, but I have a lot of faith in that phrase and trying to read your posts here is like deciphering hieroglyphs and that don’t help no one son.
And on top of that you came out of the gate swinging with some aggressive shit at the other guy, so yeah that rubbed me wrong.
It's been funny listening to Never Trumpers over the past 10 years say with astonishment that when they were Rs they always thought the Dems were so masterful at politics and now they seem so bad at it. As an actual Dem, my thought was "they've always been like this."
No, that's not at all what's going on right now. What you're spewing is calculated nonsense meant to normalize the abnormal which right now can be observed in the failure of GOP legislators to speak up for their heretofore professed priorities vis a vis trade, foreign policy.
There's a lot of money in psychic hotlines if you are that good at mind reading, good job seeing through my calculated nonsense observation about human nature
I was about to say that you misread me... but you didn't... so I apologize for the way I worded that, although you might be annoyed anyway**. I meant something more like, "What you're spewing is the calculated nonsense meant to normalize... etc." Not much better, but I *had* intended to indicate that I couldn't say that YOU yourself were thinking that since, as you noted, such a determination would require mind-reading.
You're right about the general state of what's normal, but it's not normal now, not in any meaningful way. My city's budget, assembled by thew vanishingly few people for whom I'm allowed to cast votes, just got axed to the tune of 1 Billion. GOP didn't blink and Shumer & Co. didn't use that as the reason to vote NO.
In short:
* The GOP is dysfunctionally unifed over matters that should not be rubber stamped *ever*
* The Dems are dysfunctionally divided over matters that ought to broker uncommon unity.
(**) Kinda hard to put "spewing" into play w/o sounding accusatory.
Everyone argues "oh my team is so independent it's like herding cats, the opposition marches in lockstep" and "oh my team can't get anything done, it's the enemy that is frighteningly effective." I've heard both from Republicans and Democrats (or conservatives and progressives if you broaden it) countless times. I think it's just a cope for when your team is losing.
That’s definitely what I’ve seen as well. IDK what Greg is going on about.
If only we could read minds like he does…
Pretending that the prevailing behavior by our elected reps isn't odd *is* a damn odd thing to do, unless you're MAGA strategists trying to Jedi Mind Trick everybody into think this is normal. Disagree if you want, but that's my argument.
Ok. But what is it that you are referring to exactly? That they all agree or at least got behind Trump in a big way or what? What is the strategy that they are employing that is abnormal?
And if you do please respond concisely and completely and tell it to me like I’m five because it’s hard to understand you.
You seem quite dependent on poisoning the well to hedge your arguments. You've done that in ALL of your replies to me in this thread, either on the way in or the way out. It's very, *very* lame.
I don't expect to be perfectly understood by everyone, but your particular gambit here is pretty transparent: lay the groundwork for the plausible excuse that it's not that your argument stinks, it's that's MY speech is equal parts:
(A) Impenetrable ivory tower prose:
-- "Most of that was gibberish because I guess I’m not as smart as you or something, but [...]"
-- "[...] please respond concisely and completely and tell it to me like I’m five [...]"
(B) Unintelligible ape-man jibber-jabber:
--"IDK what Greg is going on about."
--"[...] because it’s hard to understand you."
(C) A touch of the regular ol' crazy-crazy:
-- "If only we could read minds like he does…"
OP started with a general statements. Replies have been in a general vein, but now you won't allow that I'm capable of rational discourse until I demonstrate my point with greater specificity that this conversation heretofore has required...
Pass.
Yeah, I know I'm I little eccentric in the way I communicate. Sometimes I go over people's heads or I makes mistakes in reading someone's tone. When that happens, people usually just ask me to clarify, or they ask me questions without contractual conditions. But most of the time, people understand me just fine.
Dude, again, wtf? I said tell it to me like I’m 5 because everything you’ve said there makes no fucking sense. To me anyway.
I got that there was a disagreement but I’m pretty sure in my opinion so to counter your opinion and do a thing called a discussion I have to understand what the fuck your are saying.
So I challenged you to leave out all the unnecessary blah blah and speak like a normal person. If you can’t or won’t do that then fine, but don’t tell me I’m poisoning the well by pointing out you make no sense.
That’s the same thing as getting a billion face tattoos and piercings and sub-dermal implants and then getting mad at me for staring.
Honestly I think you write that way to sound smart to get a point by that alone and I’m not buying it.
I heard once that smart people make complex ideas seem simple, and dumb people make simple ideas seem complex.
Now I’m not saying you’re dumb, but I have a lot of faith in that phrase and trying to read your posts here is like deciphering hieroglyphs and that don’t help no one son.
And on top of that you came out of the gate swinging with some aggressive shit at the other guy, so yeah that rubbed me wrong.
It's been funny listening to Never Trumpers over the past 10 years say with astonishment that when they were Rs they always thought the Dems were so masterful at politics and now they seem so bad at it. As an actual Dem, my thought was "they've always been like this."
No, that's not at all what's going on right now. What you're spewing is calculated nonsense meant to normalize the abnormal which right now can be observed in the failure of GOP legislators to speak up for their heretofore professed priorities vis a vis trade, foreign policy.
There's a lot of money in psychic hotlines if you are that good at mind reading, good job seeing through my calculated nonsense observation about human nature
I was about to say that you misread me... but you didn't... so I apologize for the way I worded that, although you might be annoyed anyway**. I meant something more like, "What you're spewing is the calculated nonsense meant to normalize... etc." Not much better, but I *had* intended to indicate that I couldn't say that YOU yourself were thinking that since, as you noted, such a determination would require mind-reading.
You're right about the general state of what's normal, but it's not normal now, not in any meaningful way. My city's budget, assembled by thew vanishingly few people for whom I'm allowed to cast votes, just got axed to the tune of 1 Billion. GOP didn't blink and Shumer & Co. didn't use that as the reason to vote NO.
In short:
* The GOP is dysfunctionally unifed over matters that should not be rubber stamped *ever*
* The Dems are dysfunctionally divided over matters that ought to broker uncommon unity.
(**) Kinda hard to put "spewing" into play w/o sounding accusatory.
This supports an argument that Congressional Rs are feckless (which I would agree with) and not that the Dems are.