I don't see how you can have any sympathy for Maher (NPR lady, not Bill), she said a bunch of crazy stuff and then pretended like it never happened. It was like a low rent series of Bill Clinton denials, totally unconvincing, and she should get raked over the coals for it.
I don't see how you can have any sympathy for Maher (NPR lady, not Bill), she said a bunch of crazy stuff and then pretended like it never happened. It was like a low rent series of Bill Clinton denials, totally unconvincing, and she should get raked over the coals for it.
And that clip was hilarious for the endless ‘I didn’t say that / yes you did heres your tweet’. Every single time.
Honestly she should resign on that performance alone. Either she’s lying or you can’t have faith in her as a coherent responsible adult. This ‘everybody knows’ approach from Jessie just lets people get away with endorsing bullshit. Including ‘trans women are women’. There’re not. Let’s hold people to account.
Exactly. People have been rooted out of jobs for less with bad tweets yet hers were known from the start and it’s ’no biggie’. So okay they accepted that and appointed her but now she’s just outright lying about not having read things? You can’t have faith in people who conduct themselves this way.
What bothers me about Maher's behavior is that at the time she was endorsing these nutty ideas, pointing out that they were nutty could get you fired. She was working at Wikipedia at the time she endorsed these nutty ideas and part of the reason people were getting cancelled or losing their jobs for expressing skepticism about these ideas was that people in powerful positions like her were endorsing them. there is an expectation that if you have a position of power, you are expected to be thoughtful and not just jump on noxious trends.
I don't understand Jesse's argument that everyone was saying that stuff in 2020 so it's dumb to question her. Of course I have some sympathy for it as someone who got caught up in these social circles and also said dumb things, although not with such a huge platform thank god, but I do think it greatly decreased her (and my) credibility to know that we at the very least can be easily manipulated into saying things we don't really think. Or even into temporarily believing those things. Everyone should know that if you publicly say something dumb as hell you may have to eat crow in the future.
I managed to make it through 2020 with going all in on being a complete moron for social points so maybe I'm a bit harder on those that lost their minds than most... Not "everyone" was doing it, in fact half the country was not doing it. Maybe all of Jesse's friends were doing it, but that's an "I don't know anyone who voted for Nixon how could he have won" problem.
I doubt Jesse will extend the same charity to right-leaning voters saying objectively dumb shit to get along in MAGA land. In fact I know for a fact he doesn’t, given the social media spats he gets in with people with far less of a platform, and far less of a responsibility to be objective, than a leader at NPR.
I’m left wondering, did she ever really believe that stuff at all? Or was it performative progressivism all the way down? Did 90% of the people like her, the kind who were fully onboard with Robin D’Angelo etc, ever actually believe what they were saying?
I can't speak for her, but the many moderates and progressives I knew in 2020 were absolutely fully hopped up onto the bandwagon. And now they're on another progressive bandwagon without ever really having acknowledged the change.
I think of it this way, many of the people who believed in the satanic panic of the 80s still walk among us. I am sure some still believe in Satan but I doubt most of them still believe D&D is a gateway to satanism. I bet she still believes racism exists but her exact beliefs have probably moderated.
Frankly, I think for a lot of people there is no difference between what they "actually believe" and performative belief. That is, the performance is as sincere as they are capable of being.
The idiocy of her comments aside, I can’t believe she publicly admitted she never read the books she had claimed to! That’s on an even worse level than simply parroting the BLM propaganda of the time.
I wonder if she lied about reading them in the first place, or she did read them and is lying now? I'm not sure which is more embarrassing.
It's also such an odd way to try to defend yourself. I think it would be much less embarrassing to say that you've read a book, but that your views have evolved somewhat since then, or even say that you phrased your position poorly at the time and never fully agreed with it, than to deny ever having read a book that you previously bragged about reading..
This way she just seems like a liar and a moron no matter what the truth is.
Yeah this is giving people like her way too much of a pass, especially when they're getting taxpayer money for this stuff. If you're getting my money, taken from me involuntarily, then I get to criticize you for how you spend it!
This doesn't even touch upon the worst things she's said, such as a TED Talk where she claimed that "our reverence for the truth might be a distraction that is getting in the way of finding common ground and getting things done". That should be an immediately disqualifying statement for anybody to participate in public broadcasting.
I wonder if Katie and Jesse would be absolutely fine with NPR receiving federal tax dollars if, for example, the CEO was Matt Gaetz, and all the shows were pro-MAGA. Somehow I think their opinions would be different. (Well, maybe not Katie's...)
Jesse is like, "what do you expect her to say?" I don't know. Is our culture so far gone that, when someone is testifying before the US Congress (even if they are buffoons), we do not even expect them to, you know, tell the TRUTH? Lying is that accepted now.
Or is it just accepted from people we agree with politically?
Is it ok for someone like, say, the Vice President to lie publicly?
The fact that she fell for it again and again certainly brings her general competence into question. Granted, being in that seat is stressful, I'm sure, but surely by the fourth question she should have been able to piece together, "the fact that he's asking this probably means he has a tweet of mine ready."
I don't see how you can have any sympathy for Maher (NPR lady, not Bill), she said a bunch of crazy stuff and then pretended like it never happened. It was like a low rent series of Bill Clinton denials, totally unconvincing, and she should get raked over the coals for it.
And that clip was hilarious for the endless ‘I didn’t say that / yes you did heres your tweet’. Every single time.
Honestly she should resign on that performance alone. Either she’s lying or you can’t have faith in her as a coherent responsible adult. This ‘everybody knows’ approach from Jessie just lets people get away with endorsing bullshit. Including ‘trans women are women’. There’re not. Let’s hold people to account.
Wouldn't a normal, non sociopath person be extremely embarrassed by being proven to be a liar like that
Exactly. People have been rooted out of jobs for less with bad tweets yet hers were known from the start and it’s ’no biggie’. So okay they accepted that and appointed her but now she’s just outright lying about not having read things? You can’t have faith in people who conduct themselves this way.
It's like putting a college student under oath. "I never read that book I said I read."
Much more sad than hilarious because this is what you can expect when arguing with people like her. They just make up their own reality.
What bothers me about Maher's behavior is that at the time she was endorsing these nutty ideas, pointing out that they were nutty could get you fired. She was working at Wikipedia at the time she endorsed these nutty ideas and part of the reason people were getting cancelled or losing their jobs for expressing skepticism about these ideas was that people in powerful positions like her were endorsing them. there is an expectation that if you have a position of power, you are expected to be thoughtful and not just jump on noxious trends.
I don't understand Jesse's argument that everyone was saying that stuff in 2020 so it's dumb to question her. Of course I have some sympathy for it as someone who got caught up in these social circles and also said dumb things, although not with such a huge platform thank god, but I do think it greatly decreased her (and my) credibility to know that we at the very least can be easily manipulated into saying things we don't really think. Or even into temporarily believing those things. Everyone should know that if you publicly say something dumb as hell you may have to eat crow in the future.
I managed to make it through 2020 with going all in on being a complete moron for social points so maybe I'm a bit harder on those that lost their minds than most... Not "everyone" was doing it, in fact half the country was not doing it. Maybe all of Jesse's friends were doing it, but that's an "I don't know anyone who voted for Nixon how could he have won" problem.
Indeed, even my very left of center hippie wife was like "yeah this shit has gotten crazy" and mostly got off the woke train in 2020.
I doubt Jesse will extend the same charity to right-leaning voters saying objectively dumb shit to get along in MAGA land. In fact I know for a fact he doesn’t, given the social media spats he gets in with people with far less of a platform, and far less of a responsibility to be objective, than a leader at NPR.
I’m left wondering, did she ever really believe that stuff at all? Or was it performative progressivism all the way down? Did 90% of the people like her, the kind who were fully onboard with Robin D’Angelo etc, ever actually believe what they were saying?
I can't speak for her, but the many moderates and progressives I knew in 2020 were absolutely fully hopped up onto the bandwagon. And now they're on another progressive bandwagon without ever really having acknowledged the change.
I think of it this way, many of the people who believed in the satanic panic of the 80s still walk among us. I am sure some still believe in Satan but I doubt most of them still believe D&D is a gateway to satanism. I bet she still believes racism exists but her exact beliefs have probably moderated.
Yes, this is something I often wonder. I am not sure if it's worse to actually believe social justice dreck or to just pretend.
Does Robin D'Angelo actually believe this crap?
Frankly, I think for a lot of people there is no difference between what they "actually believe" and performative belief. That is, the performance is as sincere as they are capable of being.
I think she still does, but there was a time when you kept your politics more private and 2020 changed that and exposed these toxic progressives.
The idiocy of her comments aside, I can’t believe she publicly admitted she never read the books she had claimed to! That’s on an even worse level than simply parroting the BLM propaganda of the time.
I wonder if she lied about reading them in the first place, or she did read them and is lying now? I'm not sure which is more embarrassing.
It's also such an odd way to try to defend yourself. I think it would be much less embarrassing to say that you've read a book, but that your views have evolved somewhat since then, or even say that you phrased your position poorly at the time and never fully agreed with it, than to deny ever having read a book that you previously bragged about reading..
This way she just seems like a liar and a moron no matter what the truth is.
Exactly. No harm in reading something, it’s what you took away from it.
Yeah this is giving people like her way too much of a pass, especially when they're getting taxpayer money for this stuff. If you're getting my money, taken from me involuntarily, then I get to criticize you for how you spend it!
This doesn't even touch upon the worst things she's said, such as a TED Talk where she claimed that "our reverence for the truth might be a distraction that is getting in the way of finding common ground and getting things done". That should be an immediately disqualifying statement for anybody to participate in public broadcasting.
Yes, but something something Republicans are jerks so it's all ok
I wonder if Katie and Jesse would be absolutely fine with NPR receiving federal tax dollars if, for example, the CEO was Matt Gaetz, and all the shows were pro-MAGA. Somehow I think their opinions would be different. (Well, maybe not Katie's...)
Yeah, she is feckless as hell.
The "banality of cringe"
Jesse is like, "what do you expect her to say?" I don't know. Is our culture so far gone that, when someone is testifying before the US Congress (even if they are buffoons), we do not even expect them to, you know, tell the TRUTH? Lying is that accepted now.
Or is it just accepted from people we agree with politically?
Is it ok for someone like, say, the Vice President to lie publicly?
The fact that she fell for it again and again certainly brings her general competence into question. Granted, being in that seat is stressful, I'm sure, but surely by the fourth question she should have been able to piece together, "the fact that he's asking this probably means he has a tweet of mine ready."