Yeah, the white woman pretending to be a man kow-towing to a black man pretending to be a woman, not sure how to top that, though I have to say, she makes quite an effort at man-splaining.
That screaming struggle session/debate/meltdown was wonderful for proving none of these people are competent enough to do anything. Hard on the ears and soul but great Barpod content.
That woman who claimed to have organized dozens of movements perfectly distributed amoung all marginalized groups and then had a shrieking zombie-ish meltdown. Would love to know what she’s actually done in real life.
My mature reflection on it - after the visions of black helicopters cleared - is that would be an impossible environment for a normie to navigate, especially one without a recent humanities degree, and even more especially a white bloke. It's basically Hogwarts but with spells in Woke rather than cod Latin. "Cis-coloniarist..." ZAP! You are now socially dead.
If that's the sort of inquisition faced by anybody who ever tries to organise anything, then...
Well a progressive Joe Rogan wouldn't stand a chance.
"We like it that you are a Queer BIPOC, but we notice that you are using complete English sentences, which we feel does real harm by perpetuating white supremacy. Also, it's ableist."
I actually thought Zee was intoning a spell: "POC-shield, Activate!" when she tried to cast her prickly meltdown as a heroic defense of her plucky anonymous POC crew. But no one seemed to hear it and her POC-shield failed to activate.
I have to say, I’m enormously troubled by the racism of Z’s critics. The final clip, where the racist spews venom about Z’s bodily features, -un-fucking-checked, was peak awful. These people absolutely suck.
When she was sputtering before she landed on thin lipped it sounded so much like when a racist is trying to locate an appropriate slur, because it was.
It’s interesting as juxtapositions go. We were all enormously outraged by the dumb racist lady calling a kid a racial epithet. But no one on that call was at all bothered by the racialized insults hurled at Zee.
What are you talking about? There are people who are not fascists who will be turned off, who are being turned off from Dem candidates largely because of stuff like this. Center right folks, libertarians, etc. they may not vote Republican but they won’t pull the lever for Dems either.
You can set a watch to the hypocritical hysterical pious meltdown every single time. Merely pointing this observation out means I’m in the running to be to next Grand Wizard by their estimation or something.
This is the kind of stuff I struggle to talk about with my fellow progressive friends. Leftist infighting and calling out people you don't deem as "perfect" causes people to become reactionary conservatives. Do you know why? Because no one wants to be yelled at and seen as the bad guy. That shrill lady reminded me so much of my annoying roommate who I complained about in a weekly thread recently. I don't understand what is so hard about approaching conversations with those you disagree with in good faith. We can't all agree on everything. As a 23 year old zoomer, I really worry about my generation's ability to function in a society outside of academia and safetyism. We're so fucked. Grow up, zoomers!
It's so good to see a 23 year old Zoomer here (I'm Gen X qualified for AARP). I'm curious if you have seen the Coddling of the American Mind documentary? If so, I'd love to know your thoughts!
I haven't seen the doc, but I have read the book! It's definitely accurate to what I've seen both in school and with friends. Granted, I'm left-leaning and know almost no conservatives lol
The doc takes a closer look at what might be described as the iatrogenic possibilities of a certain kind of progressivism/intersectionality. It's interesting!
I teach at a university, and I have noticed many left-leaning kids in the last couple of years are really opening up to exploring different ideas. Of course, I never know if they self-select for my courses or if there is a more general vibe shift.
Nothing too dramatic in the normal times! I simply mean exposing them to ideas outside of progressive heterodoxy--whether it be Thomas Sowell, Thomas Chatterton Williams, or the Coddling of the American Mind doc. Another example is juxtaposing Judith Herman and general ideas of trauma with The Memory Hole podcast as well as Jon Ronson's episode The Hierarchy of Trauma. Rob Henderson's Luxury Beliefs is something else that resonates with them. A commitment to old white dudes who matter like M.H. Abrams and Harold Bloom. Just a whole hot mess of explorations of the human condition. This shouldn't be controversial.
Of course this also includes Maggie Nelson, Eve Sedgwick, Susan Sontag, and Roxanne Gay along with the writers of the long 19th-century that used to be my sole focus. I believe the humanities might be taken more seriously again when debate moves front and center to the academic process!
I'm a younger millennial. I'm conservative leaning libertarian. Almost all the conservatives I know agree wholeheartedly with the premise of that book, and I know a lot of conservatives.
As soon as you realize it's a dogmatic cult, built on an agnostic progressive base that has nothing else to look forward to in life, you'll have a better understanding. It's like bizarro nihilism, where what they do in life matters so much that they implode.
Honestly, those clips with Z made me feel relief deep down into my bones that I will never, ever go anywhere near leftist organizing in any form ever again. Hell holes of Cluster B personality disorders, bullying, and discrimination. Great anti-recruitment tape, guys!
This sounds specifically North American to my Western European ears. Everything we got here that resembles this has been imported from the US. Not that infighting doesn't exist, but this specific brand of hysteria really tastes of bacon burger sauce.
Yeah, I remember Helen Lewis talking about UK activists demanding that BIPOCs be put at the forefront. Which, for the indigenous part of this country... means Hwites?
I was mainly talking about the concept of anti-black racism. Not saying racism against black people doesn’t exist here, but the legacy of slavery, the slave trade, and Jim Crow/segregation does not exist in the same way as it does in the US because these things did not happen in the same way in Canada. Despite this, we now have slave trade land acknowledgments popping up, as well as an insistence that black people are at the top of the oppression stack when this is simply inaccurate.
Canada’s history with indigenous people is much more complicated and storied, which is why we (appropriately I think) focused on those matters in reconciliation in the past. Unfortunately, this has been massively fucked up by the mass graves story, but that’s a whole other post.
Progressive and, by association, Democrat identity group infighting isn’t back because it never went away. The world view that lead to this dumpster fire still envelops so many formerly liberal institutions, NGOs, and activists orgs.
They haven’t and won’t learn shit and we will continue to be stuck with the septuagenarian egomaniacal fuck-face.
They never have to define ANY of their loosely used terms, and no one playing those language games seems to notice this or have to ability to ask for clarification.
Well this has convinced me that we're in for 30 years of Republican dominance. Maybe some new party will show up like the Bull Moose people of yore. But yeesh the Democrats are in serious trouble.
Our only hope is to for either the Libretarian party to get their shit together, or to create an entirely new libertarian party that can supplant and eventually supersede the current Libretarian party.
And either way, hope that the resulting party can pass the very low bar of being less dysfunctional and less of an embarrassment than the Democrats or Republicans, and one capable of fielding a candidate that is less unlikable and less incompetent than the status quo.
I've been around long enough to know that the Libertarian Party isn't going to get its shit together. What might happen is an extremely attractive candidate might run as a Libertarian, and make the party their own. But I don't see such a candidate who's not already Libertarian running as Libertarian. I think there needs to be a new, non-party movement of independents fed by normies leaving the democrats and republicans. Led by an amazing candidate who cuts out the nonsense.
This was attempted with pretty robust financial backing and intense ideological investment over the past 20 years and the payoff has been not great, I think we have to recognize that classical liberal ideas as a package are just not very popular and it's to the wilderness to work with temporary allies fighting against an ever encroaching horde of tyrants from all sides for us
A great episode, good storytelling, terrific banter and I appreciate the rationality, however it’s hard to see the same errors being committed over and over again. I like the coverage of it but I hate that stuff like this is still happening in prominent places.
It reminds me of an incident in 2016 with the YA author, Michael Grant (he wrote the Gone series). He came into a comment thread talking about ways to take down Trump but the whole thing turned into people accusing him of indigenous erasure in his novels and he was completely shunned by the group.
The circular firing squad does the job instead of fighting the opposition we destroy each other.
A major reason for the N-word lady raising so much money is that it's a direct response to the black track meet killer raising so much money, and many of the comments that accompanied donations makes this explicitly clear.
I found it odd that this wasn't mentioned on the podcast.
And I can understand where these people are coming from, and I don't think it's necessarily racist.
A black thug who is obviously guilty of a senseless murder raised a tremendous amount of money, from people who are obviously racist and immoral and insane, simply because he killed a white boy. It's really disgusting and despicable.
And it's not just the killer himself, that black kid's family seems pretty awful in their response and how they treated the poor father of the victim who was being tremendously gracious.
I think raising money for the N-word lady is partly a 'Fuck you' to all the black supremacists who gave money to a cold-blooded murderer and his family of assholes, and partly sending the message that they don't think anyone should have their life ruined merely for saying a bad word.
It's not about the lady at all, it's about sending a message.
Seriously. The father was so gracious, and tried so hard to reach out and keep it peaceful. Imagine if the races had been reversed. That would never have happened. This father was a total gentleman. I don't know how he wound up with a kid who was a dick, but he did not deserve the treatment meted out to him after the murder of his child. Karmelo's parents are so solipsistic, they think no one else's pain exists or should be acknowledged.
Was his kid really a dick? I don't know the exact details of the interaction, but the black kid was in the wrong tent, that seems pretty clear. So asking him to leave seems reasonable at face value.
I guess it depends what manner in which he was asked / told, or maybe the black kid was being so rude to begin with that politeness wasn't warranted.. I don't know, and I'm willing to be convinced, not that it really matters one way or the other.
I just wouldn't want to be calling the innocent victim names unless we're damn sure.
If you or the person you're with don't have a knife on you, you are missing out on the lowest-effort life-preparation/life-hack that I'm aware of. If you're in a place where knives are banned, then just don't be stupid about it. I've never had a knife confiscated from me after like fourth grade.
Just be aware of places with unexpected security / metal detectors. I've had meetings in federal buildings that I didn't realize in advance were federal buildings..
And know your local knife laws well. I know that the UK is wild, but in the US, even crazy restrictive places like NYC, most pocket knives are legal (in most contexts, but with some major caveats).
But I've had ignorant security guards try to claim that my knife was illegal even though it was perfectly legal. They'll usually back off if you know the law and are assertive (you still can't bring it in, but maybe they'll hold it for you).
Carrying a knife is the least concerning aspect in my opinion.
Knives are first and foremost tools, it used to be normal for every man and boy to carry one at all times, it still is in many areas, and that's some that really needs to be re-normalized in the blue areas where men have become such pathetic metrosexuals that they're afraid of a pocket knife..
Anyone who spends any time in the outdoors or working with their hands knows or should know the incredible utility and versatility of a knife, the first and most important tool ever created by mankind.
Tools aren't the problem here, an inanimate object didn't kill anyone, degenerate murderers who weren't raised properly and grew up in a garbage culture are the problem..
It was raining. Black kid ducked into a different school's tent. White kid told him to get out. Kicking someone out in the rain is a dick move. The guy wasn't there because he wanted to hang out with them or victimize them, he wanted to get out of the rain. That isn't an offense with the death penalty, but it certainly started the spat.
This is as pure (and dumb) an example of two wrongs not making a right as I can imagine. Giving money to racists because someone else somewhere else gave money to a completely different cause for racist reasons?
I don't know that she's a racist, and I would bet money that a majority of the people who donated money are not actual racists.
I think they're sick of cancel culture, they're sick of being incessantly shamed and called racists, they're sick of the double standards, and they're also sick of niggers.
Yes I'll repeat, they're sick of dealing with niggers. NOT black people, niggers. There's a difference. Even if you don't think so, they do, and it's obvious to anyone with a functioning brain what the difference is.
Which means that no matter how shocked and appalled you might be that I dared to say the magical bad word, by definition anyone who thinks this way is NOT racist. Anyone who truly can't comprehend the difference is a moron.
Racists don't like all black people, period, because they think they're inherently inferior.
People who have no problem with black people and don't give a shit about the melanin content of your skin or your genetic heritage, but do have a problem with NIGGERS, are not racist. They're called 'sane people who are capable of pattern recognition and aren't delusional'.
More precisely, they're people who don't like a certain culture, because that culture is absolute garbage and encourages people acting like fucking barbarians.
That's not race, it's culture, and once again I'll say that you're a fucking retard if you can't tell the difference. And some cultures are better or worse than others.
Everything I said is obviously, objectively, true. And I'm sick and tired of pretending otherwise, I'm sick and tired of not being allowed to talk about it, and I'm sick and tired of being treated like a monster if I dare say anything about it.
And I'm sick of being victimized on a daily basis by absolute fucking barbarians, and being expected to just shut up and take it.
So are millions of other people in this country. Judge me if you want, I don't give a damn.
Omg abso-fucking-lutely, I did the same!! 😂 Reminded me of that Real Housewives episode they made a meme of, with the confused white cat in front of a "vegetals" plate?
There’s been a million examples over the years but this was a perfect indicator of how identity politics pickles peoples brains.
You end up dressing up bullying, racism, insults, harassment etc as the actions of the righteous aiming for ‘social justice’.
The standard thing in politics is to say the ends never justify the means, but more often it’s true that the means given you an idea of what the ends will look like.
If these people were ever to succeed they’d simply create a world closer to the Cultural Revolution than what they imagine in their heads.
I was a referring to the specific Chinese Cultural Revolution. It depends who you’re talking about. Just like with the real thing, there’s definitely people with authoritarian tendencies but I suspect most just get sucked along without really reflecting on how fucked up it is, loads are just too scared to do anything but play the game.
I doubt those behind the tour believe any of the struggle session bs.
When that white guy was arguing with the black woman about how black people should get to speak first, I somehow voted for Trump five times.
Yes, it's stunning what visceral hostility they generate. I wanted to punch everybody involved.
It was a white woman who masquerades as a guy, but otherwise well said.
Tapping into that privilege and yet ending up more marginalized.
Yeah, the white woman pretending to be a man kow-towing to a black man pretending to be a woman, not sure how to top that, though I have to say, she makes quite an effort at man-splaining.
Legit lol.
I just felt this inner feeling of cringe that I hadn’t felt in years. I wanted to just punch something.
You can only do that if you're dead or in the country illegally, I hear.
Exactly!
That screaming struggle session/debate/meltdown was wonderful for proving none of these people are competent enough to do anything. Hard on the ears and soul but great Barpod content.
That woman who claimed to have organized dozens of movements perfectly distributed amoung all marginalized groups and then had a shrieking zombie-ish meltdown. Would love to know what she’s actually done in real life.
Also saying that no movement led by white people has ever succeeded 🤦♀️ The sheer stupidity is overwhelming.
How the heck did we “settler colonize” everything?
My mature reflection on it - after the visions of black helicopters cleared - is that would be an impossible environment for a normie to navigate, especially one without a recent humanities degree, and even more especially a white bloke. It's basically Hogwarts but with spells in Woke rather than cod Latin. "Cis-coloniarist..." ZAP! You are now socially dead.
If that's the sort of inquisition faced by anybody who ever tries to organise anything, then...
Well a progressive Joe Rogan wouldn't stand a chance.
"We like it that you are a Queer BIPOC, but we notice that you are using complete English sentences, which we feel does real harm by perpetuating white supremacy. Also, it's ableist."
I actually thought Zee was intoning a spell: "POC-shield, Activate!" when she tried to cast her prickly meltdown as a heroic defense of her plucky anonymous POC crew. But no one seemed to hear it and her POC-shield failed to activate.
Omg stahp I'm so aroused right now, can't wait to listen to it
So a movement to gain more support for Democrats among young, white men is blowing up because it didn't do enough to center Black, female voices?
Didn't you know that any organization that has white men as its spokespeople is inherently racist? Shame on you for using your brain!
"No movement headed by white men has ever succeeded" or something like that.
What did go wrong??
I have to say, I’m enormously troubled by the racism of Z’s critics. The final clip, where the racist spews venom about Z’s bodily features, -un-fucking-checked, was peak awful. These people absolutely suck.
When she was sputtering before she landed on thin lipped it sounded so much like when a racist is trying to locate an appropriate slur, because it was.
It’s interesting as juxtapositions go. We were all enormously outraged by the dumb racist lady calling a kid a racial epithet. But no one on that call was at all bothered by the racialized insults hurled at Zee.
I mean Jessie and Katie didn't seem to care either.
Yeah, I feel like Jesse and Katie missed a nice point of criticism there.
They recognised her as a bully. They just didn’t call her a racist bully, which is what she was.
Say hello to the next big Republican ad
It would be an enormously effective ad. “They’re for racism and racial insults, the Republican is for diversity and inclusion .”
No one believes this believe this aside from white people who are for racism.
Stop acting like crazy lefties are the reason right-wing nuts support fascism. Stop making excuses for shit people who happen to be white.
What are you talking about? There are people who are not fascists who will be turned off, who are being turned off from Dem candidates largely because of stuff like this. Center right folks, libertarians, etc. they may not vote Republican but they won’t pull the lever for Dems either.
Showing political activists hurling racial insults and then pointing that out doesn't require much deep, dark racism in ones' soul.
These guys cannot see past their own egos, which are built on intersectionality largely, not personal integrity or achievement.
Just hearing it is a powerful motivation to vote for whatever side doesn't have those people.
Exactly. It is sanity repellent.
You can set a watch to the hypocritical hysterical pious meltdown every single time. Merely pointing this observation out means I’m in the running to be to next Grand Wizard by their estimation or something.
Why are our are these our choices? It’s bleak.
Everyone on that call, including Z as well as the silent ones we know nothing about, is as racist as the sky is blue.
Anyone who isn't racist, and who isn't insane, would have left the call in disgust and severed all ties with these lunatics.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. They keep getting a pass for their skin color. And this is how they end up.
This is the kind of stuff I struggle to talk about with my fellow progressive friends. Leftist infighting and calling out people you don't deem as "perfect" causes people to become reactionary conservatives. Do you know why? Because no one wants to be yelled at and seen as the bad guy. That shrill lady reminded me so much of my annoying roommate who I complained about in a weekly thread recently. I don't understand what is so hard about approaching conversations with those you disagree with in good faith. We can't all agree on everything. As a 23 year old zoomer, I really worry about my generation's ability to function in a society outside of academia and safetyism. We're so fucked. Grow up, zoomers!
I doubt that screeching lunatic was a zoomer - she mentioned having been ‘organising’ for a long time so she's likely a 30-40 NGO busybody
To be fair I've met 25 year olds who talk like this because they count watching Queer Eye as organizing
She's counting social media posts, I'd bet.
It's so good to see a 23 year old Zoomer here (I'm Gen X qualified for AARP). I'm curious if you have seen the Coddling of the American Mind documentary? If so, I'd love to know your thoughts!
I haven't seen the doc, but I have read the book! It's definitely accurate to what I've seen both in school and with friends. Granted, I'm left-leaning and know almost no conservatives lol
The doc takes a closer look at what might be described as the iatrogenic possibilities of a certain kind of progressivism/intersectionality. It's interesting!
I teach at a university, and I have noticed many left-leaning kids in the last couple of years are really opening up to exploring different ideas. Of course, I never know if they self-select for my courses or if there is a more general vibe shift.
What kind of ideas, if you don't mind me asking?
Nothing too dramatic in the normal times! I simply mean exposing them to ideas outside of progressive heterodoxy--whether it be Thomas Sowell, Thomas Chatterton Williams, or the Coddling of the American Mind doc. Another example is juxtaposing Judith Herman and general ideas of trauma with The Memory Hole podcast as well as Jon Ronson's episode The Hierarchy of Trauma. Rob Henderson's Luxury Beliefs is something else that resonates with them. A commitment to old white dudes who matter like M.H. Abrams and Harold Bloom. Just a whole hot mess of explorations of the human condition. This shouldn't be controversial.
Of course this also includes Maggie Nelson, Eve Sedgwick, Susan Sontag, and Roxanne Gay along with the writers of the long 19th-century that used to be my sole focus. I believe the humanities might be taken more seriously again when debate moves front and center to the academic process!
I meant progressive orthodoxy!
I'm a younger millennial. I'm conservative leaning libertarian. Almost all the conservatives I know agree wholeheartedly with the premise of that book, and I know a lot of conservatives.
Depending on where you live, there's a good chance you know more conservatives than you think.
As soon as you realize it's a dogmatic cult, built on an agnostic progressive base that has nothing else to look forward to in life, you'll have a better understanding. It's like bizarro nihilism, where what they do in life matters so much that they implode.
I was hoping that café was going to have a "fuck Jesse Singal" poster that he could take a selfie with.
“My name is…. Fesse Bingal. Could you take my picture standing next to the poster insulting this person who I’ve never heard of?”
https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/1000012935.jpg
I need to know where this cafe is. It sounds awesome.
Same! XD
We're so back, BAR fam.
I'm willing to pay $7 a month if we get more of this + more vore and ABDL
I’m with you. I feel like too few barpodians are equally into the weird sex stuff and the circular firing squad but I’m in for both
Honestly, those clips with Z made me feel relief deep down into my bones that I will never, ever go anywhere near leftist organizing in any form ever again. Hell holes of Cluster B personality disorders, bullying, and discrimination. Great anti-recruitment tape, guys!
This sounds specifically North American to my Western European ears. Everything we got here that resembles this has been imported from the US. Not that infighting doesn't exist, but this specific brand of hysteria really tastes of bacon burger sauce.
Including the calls for prioritising indigenous voices - in the UK 🙃
Yeah, I remember Helen Lewis talking about UK activists demanding that BIPOCs be put at the forefront. Which, for the indigenous part of this country... means Hwites?
Maybe Anglo-Saxons instead of Normans?
That is not real. It must be parody.
Maybe they meant Celts?
Probably, yes. Those damned Germanic tribes, always invading, always colonizing.
And don't even get me started on the Romans! What have they ever done for us?
Feels the same in Canada, especially the racial politics.
hangon, isn't Canada majorly into anti-racism? The whole First People thing is imported from you guys.
I was mainly talking about the concept of anti-black racism. Not saying racism against black people doesn’t exist here, but the legacy of slavery, the slave trade, and Jim Crow/segregation does not exist in the same way as it does in the US because these things did not happen in the same way in Canada. Despite this, we now have slave trade land acknowledgments popping up, as well as an insistence that black people are at the top of the oppression stack when this is simply inaccurate.
Canada’s history with indigenous people is much more complicated and storied, which is why we (appropriately I think) focused on those matters in reconciliation in the past. Unfortunately, this has been massively fucked up by the mass graves story, but that’s a whole other post.
I think you find such hysteria in the UK on allotments and in neighborhood group chats.
Progressive and, by association, Democrat identity group infighting isn’t back because it never went away. The world view that lead to this dumpster fire still envelops so many formerly liberal institutions, NGOs, and activists orgs.
They haven’t and won’t learn shit and we will continue to be stuck with the septuagenarian egomaniacal fuck-face.
I mean when no one is ever challenged on what “harm” means—or risk being accused of harm—how is anyone ever supposed to learn?
They never have to define ANY of their loosely used terms, and no one playing those language games seems to notice this or have to ability to ask for clarification.
You’re right.
Kids, “bad faith” is not a synonym for “poorly executed.” It’s not what it means at all.
Yah that was a very weird tangent!
You're demanding too much.
seems like no one knew what it means, even though both sides were using the term.
They were both misusing the term in good faith.
Well this has convinced me that we're in for 30 years of Republican dominance. Maybe some new party will show up like the Bull Moose people of yore. But yeesh the Democrats are in serious trouble.
Our only hope is to for either the Libretarian party to get their shit together, or to create an entirely new libertarian party that can supplant and eventually supersede the current Libretarian party.
And either way, hope that the resulting party can pass the very low bar of being less dysfunctional and less of an embarrassment than the Democrats or Republicans, and one capable of fielding a candidate that is less unlikable and less incompetent than the status quo.
This really shouldn't be so hard..
I wish we could have the libertarian party leadership just be made up of Reason staffers instead of whatever moron land they are from now.
I've been around long enough to know that the Libertarian Party isn't going to get its shit together. What might happen is an extremely attractive candidate might run as a Libertarian, and make the party their own. But I don't see such a candidate who's not already Libertarian running as Libertarian. I think there needs to be a new, non-party movement of independents fed by normies leaving the democrats and republicans. Led by an amazing candidate who cuts out the nonsense.
Does the Bull Moose party have anything to do with Katie's dog? If so, I'm in.
Noah Smith thinks Democrats will reset in the 2030s.
Remember every presidential election is a chance to rebrand and Trump is going to leave a huge vacuum in the GOP space bigger than Obama ever left.
Trump is grooming Vance, Rubio, Gabbard, and some others as very credible with his own followers. I don't think there's a vacuum.
I think your best bet might be to join the Republicans and try to steer them to classical liberalism.
This was attempted with pretty robust financial backing and intense ideological investment over the past 20 years and the payoff has been not great, I think we have to recognize that classical liberal ideas as a package are just not very popular and it's to the wilderness to work with temporary allies fighting against an ever encroaching horde of tyrants from all sides for us
Barsoom is looking pretty attractive... Maybe we could build a charter city by the canals.
To me, surviving being shot is the coolest thing Trump did in his 2024 campaign, so I'm definitely a gettable voter for the Bull Moose party.
The day that happened is when I put my money down and it ended up being the right decision, for the wrong reasons.
A great episode, good storytelling, terrific banter and I appreciate the rationality, however it’s hard to see the same errors being committed over and over again. I like the coverage of it but I hate that stuff like this is still happening in prominent places.
It reminds me of an incident in 2016 with the YA author, Michael Grant (he wrote the Gone series). He came into a comment thread talking about ways to take down Trump but the whole thing turned into people accusing him of indigenous erasure in his novels and he was completely shunned by the group.
The circular firing squad does the job instead of fighting the opposition we destroy each other.
Long may it reign!
A major reason for the N-word lady raising so much money is that it's a direct response to the black track meet killer raising so much money, and many of the comments that accompanied donations makes this explicitly clear.
I found it odd that this wasn't mentioned on the podcast.
And I can understand where these people are coming from, and I don't think it's necessarily racist.
A black thug who is obviously guilty of a senseless murder raised a tremendous amount of money, from people who are obviously racist and immoral and insane, simply because he killed a white boy. It's really disgusting and despicable.
And it's not just the killer himself, that black kid's family seems pretty awful in their response and how they treated the poor father of the victim who was being tremendously gracious.
I think raising money for the N-word lady is partly a 'Fuck you' to all the black supremacists who gave money to a cold-blooded murderer and his family of assholes, and partly sending the message that they don't think anyone should have their life ruined merely for saying a bad word.
It's not about the lady at all, it's about sending a message.
This makes sense to me.
Seriously. The father was so gracious, and tried so hard to reach out and keep it peaceful. Imagine if the races had been reversed. That would never have happened. This father was a total gentleman. I don't know how he wound up with a kid who was a dick, but he did not deserve the treatment meted out to him after the murder of his child. Karmelo's parents are so solipsistic, they think no one else's pain exists or should be acknowledged.
Was his kid really a dick? I don't know the exact details of the interaction, but the black kid was in the wrong tent, that seems pretty clear. So asking him to leave seems reasonable at face value.
I guess it depends what manner in which he was asked / told, or maybe the black kid was being so rude to begin with that politeness wasn't warranted.. I don't know, and I'm willing to be convinced, not that it really matters one way or the other.
I just wouldn't want to be calling the innocent victim names unless we're damn sure.
Why does the kid bring a knife on school property
If you or the person you're with don't have a knife on you, you are missing out on the lowest-effort life-preparation/life-hack that I'm aware of. If you're in a place where knives are banned, then just don't be stupid about it. I've never had a knife confiscated from me after like fourth grade.
Just be aware of places with unexpected security / metal detectors. I've had meetings in federal buildings that I didn't realize in advance were federal buildings..
And know your local knife laws well. I know that the UK is wild, but in the US, even crazy restrictive places like NYC, most pocket knives are legal (in most contexts, but with some major caveats).
But I've had ignorant security guards try to claim that my knife was illegal even though it was perfectly legal. They'll usually back off if you know the law and are assertive (you still can't bring it in, but maybe they'll hold it for you).
I live in Texas. I'm not worried about it.
Carrying a knife is the least concerning aspect in my opinion.
Knives are first and foremost tools, it used to be normal for every man and boy to carry one at all times, it still is in many areas, and that's some that really needs to be re-normalized in the blue areas where men have become such pathetic metrosexuals that they're afraid of a pocket knife..
Anyone who spends any time in the outdoors or working with their hands knows or should know the incredible utility and versatility of a knife, the first and most important tool ever created by mankind.
Tools aren't the problem here, an inanimate object didn't kill anyone, degenerate murderers who weren't raised properly and grew up in a garbage culture are the problem..
It was raining. Black kid ducked into a different school's tent. White kid told him to get out. Kicking someone out in the rain is a dick move. The guy wasn't there because he wanted to hang out with them or victimize them, he wanted to get out of the rain. That isn't an offense with the death penalty, but it certainly started the spat.
Did he tell him to leave the tent, or to leave his seat?
Unclear based on my reading.
This is as pure (and dumb) an example of two wrongs not making a right as I can imagine. Giving money to racists because someone else somewhere else gave money to a completely different cause for racist reasons?
I don't know that she's a racist, and I would bet money that a majority of the people who donated money are not actual racists.
I think they're sick of cancel culture, they're sick of being incessantly shamed and called racists, they're sick of the double standards, and they're also sick of niggers.
Yes I'll repeat, they're sick of dealing with niggers. NOT black people, niggers. There's a difference. Even if you don't think so, they do, and it's obvious to anyone with a functioning brain what the difference is.
Which means that no matter how shocked and appalled you might be that I dared to say the magical bad word, by definition anyone who thinks this way is NOT racist. Anyone who truly can't comprehend the difference is a moron.
Racists don't like all black people, period, because they think they're inherently inferior.
People who have no problem with black people and don't give a shit about the melanin content of your skin or your genetic heritage, but do have a problem with NIGGERS, are not racist. They're called 'sane people who are capable of pattern recognition and aren't delusional'.
More precisely, they're people who don't like a certain culture, because that culture is absolute garbage and encourages people acting like fucking barbarians.
That's not race, it's culture, and once again I'll say that you're a fucking retard if you can't tell the difference. And some cultures are better or worse than others.
Everything I said is obviously, objectively, true. And I'm sick and tired of pretending otherwise, I'm sick and tired of not being allowed to talk about it, and I'm sick and tired of being treated like a monster if I dare say anything about it.
And I'm sick of being victimized on a daily basis by absolute fucking barbarians, and being expected to just shut up and take it.
So are millions of other people in this country. Judge me if you want, I don't give a damn.
https://x.com/IsaiahLCarter/status/1919879656028750327
This. 1,000% this:
https://x.com/IsaiahLCarter/status/1919879656028750327
Honestly started laughing hysterically during the last tirade.
None of these people are temperamentally suited to useful employment. Incredible.
That's what an assless lipless useless ass would say.
I had to rewind that part and listen a few times 😂 What an incredible reality TV moment.
Omg abso-fucking-lutely, I did the same!! 😂 Reminded me of that Real Housewives episode they made a meme of, with the confused white cat in front of a "vegetals" plate?
Did you guys catch what she says at the very end right before "nonsense human?" I can't make it out.
Something-Christ-frshfrshfrsh, I think
Almost sounded like a different language, but maybe she was just speaking Spaz.
I think the bearded ftm lecturing us about systemic transmisogynoir could be our next role model for young men.
There’s been a million examples over the years but this was a perfect indicator of how identity politics pickles peoples brains.
You end up dressing up bullying, racism, insults, harassment etc as the actions of the righteous aiming for ‘social justice’.
The standard thing in politics is to say the ends never justify the means, but more often it’s true that the means given you an idea of what the ends will look like.
If these people were ever to succeed they’d simply create a world closer to the Cultural Revolution than what they imagine in their heads.
You don't think they're imagining a Cultural Revolution?
I was a referring to the specific Chinese Cultural Revolution. It depends who you’re talking about. Just like with the real thing, there’s definitely people with authoritarian tendencies but I suspect most just get sucked along without really reflecting on how fucked up it is, loads are just too scared to do anything but play the game.
I doubt those behind the tour believe any of the struggle session bs.