This was much better than I feared, having watched Jesse’s Twitter page these past few days.
I do think there is one thing that needs to be said: people are allowed to be upset about someone being assassinated. LET THEM be upset about it. All of this nitpick-y “well, actually. . . “ misses the point. People need to be able to grieve for something massively traumatic like watching a young man get shot in the neck at a college campus debate. As long as they’re not hurting anyone else (and so far they haven’t), they should be permitted to do so. It reminds me of how Toby Keith’s song “Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue” got so much criticism from the left back in the day for being “ignorant.” Who the fuck cares if it’s ignorant? People are allowed to be upset about a massive terrorist attack that killed 2,000+ people. Getting told “you’ll get a boot in your ass” is small potatoes by comparison. As human beings, we need catharsis.
Thank you for saying this. As someone who disagreed with Charlie Kirk vehemently, I was incredibly disturbed by this event, and I even found myself feeling incredibly angry. Let people grieve how they must. This happened in my backyard. My daughter was at BYU down the street, and her campus was shut down because people were so incredibly upset. I just feel so sad. None of this is okay.
Oh geez. I'm sorry this was so close to you. I'm up in Salt Lake and felt super on edge. I can't imagine how nerve-racking it must be to have been in Orem or Provo.
And agreed. I don't think anyone was really prepared to deal with what a strange, disturbing crime this was, much less if you were a fan of him.
I really think we need to emphasize the point you made about ,"as long as they're not hurting anybody else,"
It shouldn't go unnoticed that after the attempted assassination of Donald Trump and the assassination of Charles Kirk, there was absolutely zero rioting.
As opposed to the death of a criminal meth head turned martyr turning cities into hellscapes.
Can we get a podcast episode on the racist n bomb dropping neighbor and his gay magician son? It’s the least you could do. Plus, Bremerton needs a bit more sunshine on it.
I started watching Charlie debate people on college campuses a couple of years ago. I tried listening to his podcast but it was a little too religiousy for me, and as a pro-choice atheist I disagreed with a lot of his opinions. But damn I admired the wealth of information he could recall at the drop of a hat. That's what I liked and miss about Hitchens.
Its interesting Katie sensed something shifted with Kirk's death. Im a Christian and a lot of my fellow Christians sensed a shift, culturally and spiritually. We all wondered why we were so cut up over the death of someone we don't know. Its more or less because Charlie was a representative of (some of) what we believe and he was taken out because of it. Im sure its deeper than that and I'm still processing it. But the fact that non-christian Katie also sensed the cultural impact of this event, is significant.
He was a low-iq provocateur who made a career out of debating college freshmen. I'm not condoning the murder of anyone much less a father but you need to get over it and try not to read too much into it.
I’m discounting the pushback against the casing with the “gay” reference on it entirely. Some on the left have LONG used gay shaming against conservatives they don’t like. Lindsey Graham anyone? David French has frequently been targeted by online leftists along the same vein.
Apparently he liked it and joked about it a lot. I found this snip of him talking about it. Maybe he was a fan as a kid? I don’t know much about him but he reads proud of it to me.
The fun thing about Lewiston is it’s right next to Clarkston. As for the white supremacist compounds, they’re apparently just east of there, in northern Idaho. That’s where Timothy McVeigh was radicalized.
For someone outside the states it is amazing how much this story has completely eclipsed the fact that not one, not two but *three* american allies are on the brink of a new war this week (two with each other) on substack and all the other social media I am aware of.
Ugh. I feel so conflicted by this. On the one hand, I'm appalled by the fact that DC, a company I used to respect, employed someone who wrote a detailed rape-and-murder fantasy book about his (specifically female) political enemies. DC should not have hired him in the first place. If a non-trans-identifying male wrote Manhunt, he'd be working at Arby's for the rest of his life, but because the author put on lipstick and a dress, he's rewarded for violent, misogynistic rhetoric. Square that circle for me. Why is there one set of rules for TIMs, and another set of rules for everyone else?
On the other hand, I dislike cancel culture, even when it happens to people I despise. Yes, he was told not to talk a certain way on social media, and yes, he's a fucking idiot for refusing to follow that incredibly basic instruction, but is that necessarily a fair stipulation in the first place? Why hire someone who needed to be wrangled like this, rather than a person with an established pattern of the type of online professionalism they wanted? They knew going in that this guy was, to put it charitably, "outspoken," and that his social media use wouldn't comport with their brand.
Nice to see that Jesse took the opportunity of Charlie Kirk's death to launch into one of his worst leftist tirades. He really has absolutely no self-control.
This was much better than I feared, having watched Jesse’s Twitter page these past few days.
I do think there is one thing that needs to be said: people are allowed to be upset about someone being assassinated. LET THEM be upset about it. All of this nitpick-y “well, actually. . . “ misses the point. People need to be able to grieve for something massively traumatic like watching a young man get shot in the neck at a college campus debate. As long as they’re not hurting anyone else (and so far they haven’t), they should be permitted to do so. It reminds me of how Toby Keith’s song “Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue” got so much criticism from the left back in the day for being “ignorant.” Who the fuck cares if it’s ignorant? People are allowed to be upset about a massive terrorist attack that killed 2,000+ people. Getting told “you’ll get a boot in your ass” is small potatoes by comparison. As human beings, we need catharsis.
Thank you for saying this. As someone who disagreed with Charlie Kirk vehemently, I was incredibly disturbed by this event, and I even found myself feeling incredibly angry. Let people grieve how they must. This happened in my backyard. My daughter was at BYU down the street, and her campus was shut down because people were so incredibly upset. I just feel so sad. None of this is okay.
Oh geez. I'm sorry this was so close to you. I'm up in Salt Lake and felt super on edge. I can't imagine how nerve-racking it must be to have been in Orem or Provo.
And agreed. I don't think anyone was really prepared to deal with what a strange, disturbing crime this was, much less if you were a fan of him.
I really think we need to emphasize the point you made about ,"as long as they're not hurting anybody else,"
It shouldn't go unnoticed that after the attempted assassination of Donald Trump and the assassination of Charles Kirk, there was absolutely zero rioting.
As opposed to the death of a criminal meth head turned martyr turning cities into hellscapes.
Meth head?
Meth head?
I believe he meant fentanyl addict.
Can we get a podcast episode on the racist n bomb dropping neighbor and his gay magician son? It’s the least you could do. Plus, Bremerton needs a bit more sunshine on it.
That's a terrible idea. I don't really care about Katie's personal life
and the 'Japanese' redesign. Nothing cheers me up more than misunderstood cultural adoption design. I love a decapitated buddha head pot plant.
I started watching Charlie debate people on college campuses a couple of years ago. I tried listening to his podcast but it was a little too religiousy for me, and as a pro-choice atheist I disagreed with a lot of his opinions. But damn I admired the wealth of information he could recall at the drop of a hat. That's what I liked and miss about Hitchens.
Its interesting Katie sensed something shifted with Kirk's death. Im a Christian and a lot of my fellow Christians sensed a shift, culturally and spiritually. We all wondered why we were so cut up over the death of someone we don't know. Its more or less because Charlie was a representative of (some of) what we believe and he was taken out because of it. Im sure its deeper than that and I'm still processing it. But the fact that non-christian Katie also sensed the cultural impact of this event, is significant.
I’m not Christian and felt the same. My reaction has been unexpected. Things feel precarious.
He was a low-iq provocateur who made a career out of debating college freshmen. I'm not condoning the murder of anyone much less a father but you need to get over it and try not to read too much into it.
Thanks I'll base how I feel spiritually about the death of a brother-in-Christ on some random internet opinion 👍
"how I feel spiritually about the death of a brother-in-Christ"
lol listen to yourself. The Woke Right everyone. Calm down and take some deep breaths FFS.
Woke right? What, am I trying to cancel the left for their opinions? Am I unabashedly MAGA? No and no.
I'm just a Christian babe. There are a lot of us around. Calm your farm.
That was fast.
I’m discounting the pushback against the casing with the “gay” reference on it entirely. Some on the left have LONG used gay shaming against conservatives they don’t like. Lindsey Graham anyone? David French has frequently been targeted by online leftists along the same vein.
Dare I listen? It feels #toosoon for BAR pod’s style of dark humor after everything I’ve seen the last few days.
Update: It was fine
I actually think Charlie himself joked about the south park episode. He was saying they nailed it with him and the water bottles.
Apparently he liked it and joked about it a lot. I found this snip of him talking about it. Maybe he was a fan as a kid? I don’t know much about him but he reads proud of it to me.
https://www.tiktok.com/@thecharliekirkshow/video/7535846573972917517?
The fun thing about Lewiston is it’s right next to Clarkston. As for the white supremacist compounds, they’re apparently just east of there, in northern Idaho. That’s where Timothy McVeigh was radicalized.
Thoughts on this:
“Suspect's high school friend says Robinson was the only 'leftist' in a family of 'very hard' Republicans”
https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1966609740630229325
Charlie Kirk genuinely supported free speech. He criticised the administration for deporting people over an op-ed.
https://youtube.com/shorts/B0t8SooRO9A?si=AZQbIXEGy-pEkWxk
For someone outside the states it is amazing how much this story has completely eclipsed the fact that not one, not two but *three* american allies are on the brink of a new war this week (two with each other) on substack and all the other social media I am aware of.
Yeah, I have no clue what you’re talking about with a “new” war on Substack
Good to hear Katie balance out Jessie's reactionism and give Hasan some well deserved praise.
Gretchen Felker-Martin's response to getting suspended from Bluesky and canned by DC:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/on-violence-138757660
Not gonna lie, I didn't get too far.
Ugh. I feel so conflicted by this. On the one hand, I'm appalled by the fact that DC, a company I used to respect, employed someone who wrote a detailed rape-and-murder fantasy book about his (specifically female) political enemies. DC should not have hired him in the first place. If a non-trans-identifying male wrote Manhunt, he'd be working at Arby's for the rest of his life, but because the author put on lipstick and a dress, he's rewarded for violent, misogynistic rhetoric. Square that circle for me. Why is there one set of rules for TIMs, and another set of rules for everyone else?
On the other hand, I dislike cancel culture, even when it happens to people I despise. Yes, he was told not to talk a certain way on social media, and yes, he's a fucking idiot for refusing to follow that incredibly basic instruction, but is that necessarily a fair stipulation in the first place? Why hire someone who needed to be wrangled like this, rather than a person with an established pattern of the type of online professionalism they wanted? They knew going in that this guy was, to put it charitably, "outspoken," and that his social media use wouldn't comport with their brand.
Nice to see that Jesse took the opportunity of Charlie Kirk's death to launch into one of his worst leftist tirades. He really has absolutely no self-control.
Damn it, Jesse, it’s Bongino like Papa Gino’s!