I found this whole thing an annoying exercise. Say what you will about LoTT, she at least makes motions towards acting in good faith, at least to a greater extent than many so-called journalists, and she ain’t one, though I do agree she’s influential.
Also, she didn’t say ban the gays from teaching. She said ban the gays (aka teachers) w…
I found this whole thing an annoying exercise. Say what you will about LoTT, she at least makes motions towards acting in good faith, at least to a greater extent than many so-called journalists, and she ain’t one, though I do agree she’s influential.
Also, she didn’t say ban the gays from teaching. She said ban the gays (aka teachers) who have a special coming out day to their students, and I don’t think that’s too outrageous, especially when you consider the vast majority of teachers on TikTok who are posting this insane shit teach elementary school kids or young middle kids. Is it just me or did no one else have teachers growing up (I’m 36) who kept their personal lives outside of the classroom private? I guess I didn’t grow up a narcissist, so I see no reason why I, as a fellow fag, would ever need to come out to my students. I guess I’m old-fashioned.
I’m around your age and teachers would definitely mention their spouses or kids, but usually it didn’t interfere with class time at all. The teacher who spent an entire class period on his coming out, instead of just discussing it for a few minutes and moving on, and then talked about how he did that on a platform that’s basically public, showed a lack a judgment at least.
That’s interesting. Ours were very standoffish, which is kind of ironic because my high school class (if I had graduated) would only have been 37 ppl, so the town was so small we all knew each other’s business anyway. But yeah, they kept their personal life private. We could use more of that I think. :(
If you're concerned with acting in good faith, why are you rephrasing what she said to make it sound less awful? The quote was (IIRC, maybe I have a word wrong but I think this is close): "Any teacher who comes out to their students should be immediately fired". She didn't say "has a special coming out day".
And this specific teacher only confirmed they were gay after a student began the conversation, then (from what he said) let the conversation continue naturally from there. Maybe he should have shut it down quicker and his apparent glee was pretty cringe. Doesn't make what she said any less credibility destroying.
Fair point, I guess. I thought she was referring to a specific video I saw where the teacher came out that day as if anyone gave a fuck, or couldn’t take one look at him and know the dude’s a fag. But I think I know which one you are referring to, and that guy should be fired just for all the political shit. How I miss the king long ago, in the before times, when I didn’t know anything about my teachers. Millennials are the biggest narcissists around, until the Zoomers grow up anyway (but I’m hanging out with a lot of great zoomers every day at college and that actually gives me hope because they’re not terribly awful like I feared they would be before I retired and went back to school). And I would know, I am a millennial.
As a fellow traveler and dabbler in faggotry, I kind of lament how gay everything is now. The least interesting thing about me is my sexuality. Who gives a shit really. But I will need to see more evidence that she wants to ban the gays before I will assume I know everything about her from one tweet.
I blame the schools of ed more than "the narcissistic generation" or anything like that. College kids who want to be teachers come in pretty normal, Schools of Ed then teach them that they should try to use inclusive pedagogies (some of which is harmless, some of which is a naval gazing waste of time), that they have to entertain or pander to their students, that their students are incredibly fragile, and racial/gender identity is the most important thing about anyone.
Some of them with their heads on their shoulders come out OK because they remember that their own experience bears no resemblance to what they are being told about students only a few years younger than them.
Why are schools of ed doing this? It's partly condescension of elites - A savior complex of over educated rich and mostly white teachers who haven't actually taught in a classroom for decades (self selected out, as they couldn't take actually working as teachers). To be fair NOTHING has worked to fix outcomes in the worst and most mismanaged public school districts so I think people educating teachers are sort of fumbling around for anything they can try. Unfortunately I don't think that teaching kids math is racist and literature is going to harm them is going to help kids do better at school.
Another oldie here, Gen X, New Englander - and my teachers weren’t open books like this. There is a generation of teachers that don’t understand how all of this oversharing (straight, too!) is too much. Classes aren’t that long. Get back to work. If test scores have gone up since my childhood than I wouldn’t question this, but they’re not.
I found this whole thing an annoying exercise. Say what you will about LoTT, she at least makes motions towards acting in good faith, at least to a greater extent than many so-called journalists, and she ain’t one, though I do agree she’s influential.
Also, she didn’t say ban the gays from teaching. She said ban the gays (aka teachers) who have a special coming out day to their students, and I don’t think that’s too outrageous, especially when you consider the vast majority of teachers on TikTok who are posting this insane shit teach elementary school kids or young middle kids. Is it just me or did no one else have teachers growing up (I’m 36) who kept their personal lives outside of the classroom private? I guess I didn’t grow up a narcissist, so I see no reason why I, as a fellow fag, would ever need to come out to my students. I guess I’m old-fashioned.
I’m around your age and teachers would definitely mention their spouses or kids, but usually it didn’t interfere with class time at all. The teacher who spent an entire class period on his coming out, instead of just discussing it for a few minutes and moving on, and then talked about how he did that on a platform that’s basically public, showed a lack a judgment at least.
That’s interesting. Ours were very standoffish, which is kind of ironic because my high school class (if I had graduated) would only have been 37 ppl, so the town was so small we all knew each other’s business anyway. But yeah, they kept their personal life private. We could use more of that I think. :(
Mine were standoffish, too.
I knew nothing about any of my teachers personal lives. I’m with you, it’s narcissism.
If you're concerned with acting in good faith, why are you rephrasing what she said to make it sound less awful? The quote was (IIRC, maybe I have a word wrong but I think this is close): "Any teacher who comes out to their students should be immediately fired". She didn't say "has a special coming out day".
And this specific teacher only confirmed they were gay after a student began the conversation, then (from what he said) let the conversation continue naturally from there. Maybe he should have shut it down quicker and his apparent glee was pretty cringe. Doesn't make what she said any less credibility destroying.
Fair point, I guess. I thought she was referring to a specific video I saw where the teacher came out that day as if anyone gave a fuck, or couldn’t take one look at him and know the dude’s a fag. But I think I know which one you are referring to, and that guy should be fired just for all the political shit. How I miss the king long ago, in the before times, when I didn’t know anything about my teachers. Millennials are the biggest narcissists around, until the Zoomers grow up anyway (but I’m hanging out with a lot of great zoomers every day at college and that actually gives me hope because they’re not terribly awful like I feared they would be before I retired and went back to school). And I would know, I am a millennial.
As a fellow traveler and dabbler in faggotry, I kind of lament how gay everything is now. The least interesting thing about me is my sexuality. Who gives a shit really. But I will need to see more evidence that she wants to ban the gays before I will assume I know everything about her from one tweet.
I blame the schools of ed more than "the narcissistic generation" or anything like that. College kids who want to be teachers come in pretty normal, Schools of Ed then teach them that they should try to use inclusive pedagogies (some of which is harmless, some of which is a naval gazing waste of time), that they have to entertain or pander to their students, that their students are incredibly fragile, and racial/gender identity is the most important thing about anyone.
Some of them with their heads on their shoulders come out OK because they remember that their own experience bears no resemblance to what they are being told about students only a few years younger than them.
Why are schools of ed doing this? It's partly condescension of elites - A savior complex of over educated rich and mostly white teachers who haven't actually taught in a classroom for decades (self selected out, as they couldn't take actually working as teachers). To be fair NOTHING has worked to fix outcomes in the worst and most mismanaged public school districts so I think people educating teachers are sort of fumbling around for anything they can try. Unfortunately I don't think that teaching kids math is racist and literature is going to harm them is going to help kids do better at school.
Another oldie here, Gen X, New Englander - and my teachers weren’t open books like this. There is a generation of teachers that don’t understand how all of this oversharing (straight, too!) is too much. Classes aren’t that long. Get back to work. If test scores have gone up since my childhood than I wouldn’t question this, but they’re not.
This is extremely bad faith take. It utterly ignores what she's doing. It utterly undercuts what journalists do.
Just admit you're a conservative.