People are very lame and unoriginal and somehow think it's clever to mindlessly parrot the same trendy talking point they've heard a hundred times.. That's the only reason.
I don't think Nickleback is great, I think they're somewhat bland, generic, and forgettable (or they would be if they weren't turned into a meme), but I think they're fine and I don't mind the music.
Yes nickels still, but we eliminated the penny 13 years ago which I think is way overdue in the US. Most people pay electronically and rarely encounter coins. The smallest coin I would bother to handle is the loonie ($1). If I got a quarter or smaller in change I would just give it to a homeless person and even they would probably find it annoyingly small in value.
Palmer Luckey is incredibly ballsy to directly confronting people on their bullshit. More people would be better people if the people they shit on called them out publicly and without remorse.
Well that would make a great follow up movie to The Social Network, and could close with Zuckerberg embracing Trump.
It was also really chilling. Lucky - who we should remember was and continues to be relatively young - got hounded out of his job and vocation for engaging in mainstream politics.
And then he got hounded because people enjoyed hounding him.
And the people who hounded him now share the original politics for which he was hounded.
This is really a pretty gross episode. Just incredibly awful people, which was my read the few other times I have come across the "all-in" podcast so looks like I read that right. Glad this guy got to go up there and say his piece.
Also double spaces are absolutely the way to go. The whole point of spaces is legibility and double spaces between sentences helps them each have their own separate space to breathe and better reflects the actual hierarchy of the written words. Doing single spaces strikes me as similar to not wanting paragraph breaks, sure that is technically more space efficient, but it hurts readability/legibility needlessly.
MANY Canadians detest Nickelback.. we are more of a Tragically Hip nation. However most of us see them as a tired velveeta version of Rock from the early 2000’s.
I can happily name 100 Canadian bands that are head and shoulders better.
Katie’s encounters are just aberrations of throwback rock demography.
I feel like there's some revisionist history going on here: 'Alt-right' does not necessarily mean racist, it certainly didn't when that term first became widely used.
I think it mostly has that association because leftists use the term as a soft euphemism for racist extremists, but in reality only a subset of the alt-right movement, and a handful of public figures, were blatantly racist.
The term has become such a smear that no one really describes themselves as alt-right anymore, but that's not what the term ever really meant.
And Pepe the frog is certainly is not a racist hate symbol, at least not always. It's sometimes used in a racist context, but it has been used in many different ways, the history of that meme is pretty complicated, in fact I think BARPod has discussed this at some point.
(I'm not an expert on either of these topics, and I've forgotten most of what I knew about both, but I'm fairly confident that my recollection on this is accurate.)
Does it not? I’ve been hearing that since the Milo days when I had been a big fan of Carl Benjamin AKA Sargon of Akkad and that explosion of right leaning “classical liberals” and the like. It always seemed to be used in the context of actually racist people.
Like saying things such as “Maybe mainstream black culture is harmful and destructive,” isn’t alt right in my mind.
But saying things like “Black Africans cannot progress past thatch huts on their own because they are literally not smart enough to do it,” which I personally had a conversation about with a guy I used to play video games with, is alt right. And by alt right I mean incredibly racist.
When did it gain widespread use, and what was the original meaning? I feel like I remember it around the 2015 ish mark, give or take. But to be fair I wasn’t quite paying attention back then like I do now so I could be wrong.
I mean after following him a while I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually was. It would not be a shock if he faked almost all of his entire persona.
But no I don’t. I think he was a flamboyant entertainer. A lot like Alex Jones. Not to be taken quite seriously, but could point out some true things, with the shield of being gay and into black guys.
I also only mentioned him as a general time frame because he was the first person to pop in my head.
Also, there is something to be said about the idea of being with a certain type of person for fetishistic reasons.
He can fuck black guys while still thinking they are inferior.
I'm having a hard time thinking of remembering any other alt-right figures myself.
I have a vague sense of it being a younger, edgier, more online right-wing movement than was fond of memes and didn't necessarily have the same political concerns as traditional conservatives, but that's about it.
But very quickly, within a few years if not almost immediately, the term 'alt-right' became a way to smear someone as a racist extremist without actually calling them that directly, so that became the implicit meaning of the term 95% of the time.
And so most alt-right figures quickly distanced themselves from the movement and no one except open racists identified themselves with that term anymore..
But that doesn't mean the slur is accurate, it means we live in a world where most journalists are morons and hacks who don't have a serious commitment to the truth.
Oh yeah for sure. I mean I consider myself a right leaning centrist but the type of people that throw around alt right accusations willy nilly would absolutely say I’m an alt right Nazi if they could look in my brain.
I found it very agreeable how Lucky Palmer described journalists in his email to Katie.
As a hiking boot wearer who uses two spaces after a period (when on a computer, on a phone it's a whole other situation), I feel like I have been subject to a lot of aggression from Katie in recent episodes! But really the two spaces things is just muscle memory. I can't stop!
I haven’t listened to the episode, but I’d just like everyone to know Palmer Luckey is the real-life version of a tech CEO you assassinate in GTA and don’t feel bad about it because he’s clearly a sociopath: https://youtu.be/bWEXnph1ElI?si=Aeh7s3PHFkuSZdr-
It's the band everyone thought was cool to hate, I remember it well being there for the rise and the fall. Yet friends in the industry said at any given bar, nightclub or bistro - if you played 'How You Remind Me' at closing everyone knew the words, and sang them.
Right, the defense contractors bribe the politicians to vote for government spending on defense budgets. I just never worked out who at Raytheon or Sikorsky is dictating specific foreign policy.
The ratio of how correct Palmer Lucky was to how unlikable he came off was genuinely weird in this series.
Maybe it's the way he seemingly contextualizes his drone company like "I'd rather be making video games, but I'm not allowed to so now I have to kill people". He could have just started like a VR games company (the lack of software really held the tech back) or made 3d treadmills or something. No one forced him to swan dive into the military industrial complex.
Like Bill Gates was a rat bastard who fucked over everybody he interacted with, but he chose to spend his testosterone making personal computers and then donating to charity, so I don't have any distaste to spare for him.
At a certain point what you're actually doing matters a lot more than whether you're nice about it. And sure, the drones would get built without him and his money– and by the same token, somebody else would execute those Vietnamese farmers as saboteurs if Lt Smith didn't. It doesn't mean the aggrieved billionaire who creates autonomous murder drones for the military because some people online were mean to him is obviated from responsibility.
The way that woman corrected the guy to say CHESTfeeding made me twitch
Nickelback *is* a good band. Haters gonna hate.
I mean they seem fine, not my cup of tea, but I never understood the hate.
People are very lame and unoriginal and somehow think it's clever to mindlessly parrot the same trendy talking point they've heard a hundred times.. That's the only reason.
I don't think Nickleback is great, I think they're somewhat bland, generic, and forgettable (or they would be if they weren't turned into a meme), but I think they're fine and I don't mind the music.
I think it's his voice. Listening to them makes me want to clear my throat all the time.
That’s how I felt during the 90’s.
As a hater, I can confirm I’m gonna hate
Nickelback is mediocre*, kinda lowbrow, and very popular.
Which means that hipsters love to performatively hate them.
*judging on the curve of “acts that are famous enough that everyone knows them”, which is pretty rarefied air
I can’t tell the difference between them and Hoobastank
Yeah. I can't tell the difference between a piano and a violin. We all have our issues.
Oh, the Hoobastank are much worse!
I remember when Hoobastank was stanking up the airwaves and performed live on MTV (or something.) They were SO bad. SO bad.
At least Nickelback delivers what they advertise.
Who?
Bastank!
Hoobastank up this concert!?
You’re not wrong
They're totally fine, everybody just hates that dude's hair.
Canadian?
Do they even have nickels up there?
Yes nickels still, but we eliminated the penny 13 years ago which I think is way overdue in the US. Most people pay electronically and rarely encounter coins. The smallest coin I would bother to handle is the loonie ($1). If I got a quarter or smaller in change I would just give it to a homeless person and even they would probably find it annoyingly small in value.
Palmer Luckey is incredibly ballsy to directly confronting people on their bullshit. More people would be better people if the people they shit on called them out publicly and without remorse.
It’s literally the only likeable thing he’s ever done, in my book.
What do you dislike about him?
Well that would make a great follow up movie to The Social Network, and could close with Zuckerberg embracing Trump.
It was also really chilling. Lucky - who we should remember was and continues to be relatively young - got hounded out of his job and vocation for engaging in mainstream politics.
And then he got hounded because people enjoyed hounding him.
And the people who hounded him now share the original politics for which he was hounded.
You can't actually run a democracy like that.
Also quite ironic that he got hounded out of doing something essentially harmless (entertainment) to making weapons of war for Peter Theil.
It is the plot of Animal Farm come to life.
Orwell, of course, being cancelled these days. Wonder why....
They are making a Social Network sequel, so you might get your wish!
https://deadline.com/2025/06/the-social-network-sequel-aaron-sorkin-1236439539/
Well said.
If I was Palmey Luckey I'd be more embarrassed that I only donated $9,000. That's Musk level rich guy stingy.....
This is really a pretty gross episode. Just incredibly awful people, which was my read the few other times I have come across the "all-in" podcast so looks like I read that right. Glad this guy got to go up there and say his piece.
Also double spaces are absolutely the way to go. The whole point of spaces is legibility and double spaces between sentences helps them each have their own separate space to breathe and better reflects the actual hierarchy of the written words. Doing single spaces strikes me as similar to not wanting paragraph breaks, sure that is technically more space efficient, but it hurts readability/legibility needlessly.
Double spaces are a strong sign of demonic influence.
Every notorious cult leader in the past 75 years has used double spaces.
Is this really the kind of company you want to keep?
I’ve notified interpol that you have violated international law by advocating for double spaces.
(Pro tip: If you want legibility, use the font Atkinson Hyperlegible).
MANY Canadians detest Nickelback.. we are more of a Tragically Hip nation. However most of us see them as a tired velveeta version of Rock from the early 2000’s.
I can happily name 100 Canadian bands that are head and shoulders better.
Katie’s encounters are just aberrations of throwback rock demography.
Early 2000s Velveeta Rock is a good name for my man’s favorite genre, I think. 😭
He’s not complicated. 😂 Which is great. We can’t both be like this.
As a Canadian this sounds aboot right to me.
I feel like there's some revisionist history going on here: 'Alt-right' does not necessarily mean racist, it certainly didn't when that term first became widely used.
I think it mostly has that association because leftists use the term as a soft euphemism for racist extremists, but in reality only a subset of the alt-right movement, and a handful of public figures, were blatantly racist.
The term has become such a smear that no one really describes themselves as alt-right anymore, but that's not what the term ever really meant.
And Pepe the frog is certainly is not a racist hate symbol, at least not always. It's sometimes used in a racist context, but it has been used in many different ways, the history of that meme is pretty complicated, in fact I think BARPod has discussed this at some point.
(I'm not an expert on either of these topics, and I've forgotten most of what I knew about both, but I'm fairly confident that my recollection on this is accurate.)
Does it not? I’ve been hearing that since the Milo days when I had been a big fan of Carl Benjamin AKA Sargon of Akkad and that explosion of right leaning “classical liberals” and the like. It always seemed to be used in the context of actually racist people.
Like saying things such as “Maybe mainstream black culture is harmful and destructive,” isn’t alt right in my mind.
But saying things like “Black Africans cannot progress past thatch huts on their own because they are literally not smart enough to do it,” which I personally had a conversation about with a guy I used to play video games with, is alt right. And by alt right I mean incredibly racist.
When did it gain widespread use, and what was the original meaning? I feel like I remember it around the 2015 ish mark, give or take. But to be fair I wasn’t quite paying attention back then like I do now so I could be wrong.
Milo was either married to, or in a serious long term relationship with, a black guy. Are you saying he's racist?
I mean after following him a while I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually was. It would not be a shock if he faked almost all of his entire persona.
But no I don’t. I think he was a flamboyant entertainer. A lot like Alex Jones. Not to be taken quite seriously, but could point out some true things, with the shield of being gay and into black guys.
I also only mentioned him as a general time frame because he was the first person to pop in my head.
Also, there is something to be said about the idea of being with a certain type of person for fetishistic reasons.
He can fuck black guys while still thinking they are inferior.
I'm having a hard time thinking of remembering any other alt-right figures myself.
I have a vague sense of it being a younger, edgier, more online right-wing movement than was fond of memes and didn't necessarily have the same political concerns as traditional conservatives, but that's about it.
But very quickly, within a few years if not almost immediately, the term 'alt-right' became a way to smear someone as a racist extremist without actually calling them that directly, so that became the implicit meaning of the term 95% of the time.
And so most alt-right figures quickly distanced themselves from the movement and no one except open racists identified themselves with that term anymore..
But that doesn't mean the slur is accurate, it means we live in a world where most journalists are morons and hacks who don't have a serious commitment to the truth.
Oh yeah for sure. I mean I consider myself a right leaning centrist but the type of people that throw around alt right accusations willy nilly would absolutely say I’m an alt right Nazi if they could look in my brain.
I found it very agreeable how Lucky Palmer described journalists in his email to Katie.
So many of them truly deserve a good slap.
As a hiking boot wearer who uses two spaces after a period (when on a computer, on a phone it's a whole other situation), I feel like I have been subject to a lot of aggression from Katie in recent episodes! But really the two spaces things is just muscle memory. I can't stop!
Nickelback are The Arcade Fire of Alberta.
What did Arcade Fire ever do to you?
Probably burnt down the arcade is my best guess
The Arcade Fire knows what they did. The whole province of Quebec knows what they did…
IT’S RIGHT THERE IN THE NAME
Nickelback is earnestly loved by some, and loved-to-be-hated by others; a national treasure, by all accounts. International notoriety fully understood
I haven’t listened to the episode, but I’d just like everyone to know Palmer Luckey is the real-life version of a tech CEO you assassinate in GTA and don’t feel bad about it because he’s clearly a sociopath: https://youtu.be/bWEXnph1ElI?si=Aeh7s3PHFkuSZdr-
Am Canadian, am from Vancouver island. I’ve never heard anyone say a good thing about nickelback since I was a tween.
It is considered a laughing stock. Central Vancouver island and Newfoundland you might find to be a bit less hip
It's the band everyone thought was cool to hate, I remember it well being there for the rise and the fall. Yet friends in the industry said at any given bar, nightclub or bistro - if you played 'How You Remind Me' at closing everyone knew the words, and sang them.
TWO SPACES AFTER PERIODS IS BETTER! THERE SHOULD BE MORE SPACE BETWEEN SENTENCES THAN BETWEEN WORDS!
Things like HTML takes out the extra space. I grew up before the one space standard.
Substack is deleting my extra space!
Let's do some tests
One space.
Two spaces.
Three spaces.
One. Space.
Two. Spaces.
Three. Spaces.
So Many Spaces.
...There's like 20 spaces between those words.
Why do our hosts think that having military contracts is an obviously cancelable offense?
I don’t know if it’s cancelable, but there’s an argument that the war machines industry keeps the entire world permanently at war by buying lawmakers…
Right, the defense contractors bribe the politicians to vote for government spending on defense budgets. I just never worked out who at Raytheon or Sikorsky is dictating specific foreign policy.
The ratio of how correct Palmer Lucky was to how unlikable he came off was genuinely weird in this series.
Maybe it's the way he seemingly contextualizes his drone company like "I'd rather be making video games, but I'm not allowed to so now I have to kill people". He could have just started like a VR games company (the lack of software really held the tech back) or made 3d treadmills or something. No one forced him to swan dive into the military industrial complex.
Like Bill Gates was a rat bastard who fucked over everybody he interacted with, but he chose to spend his testosterone making personal computers and then donating to charity, so I don't have any distaste to spare for him.
At a certain point what you're actually doing matters a lot more than whether you're nice about it. And sure, the drones would get built without him and his money– and by the same token, somebody else would execute those Vietnamese farmers as saboteurs if Lt Smith didn't. It doesn't mean the aggrieved billionaire who creates autonomous murder drones for the military because some people online were mean to him is obviated from responsibility.
Why do you think he came across as unlikable?
That was just my gut reaction. He's not extremely unlikable, but it's there.