So stupid. They're still breasts! Fucking fat guys have breasts sometimes, too. Mammary glands don't care what pronoun pins you wear. They produce milk, they're breasts. Period.
Exactly. There's literally zero reason to call it "chestfeeding" beyond coddling like a dozen profoundly fragile people and deliberately annoying damn near everyone else. If it ain't broke, fix it anyway.
I took the "I get it" to mean 'Oh I see you mean this is actually a woman you're describing, but we're pretending that she's a man. Cool, I'll play along. Because I'm a good person and good people always play along.'
Palmer Luckey is incredibly ballsy to directly confronting people on their bullshit. More people would be better people if the people they shit on called them out publicly and without remorse.
It was amazing to hear him call out Jason Calacanis like that. That period, roughly 2015-2022, was insane. While few of us were famous enough to be publicly cancelled, we all remember the self censorship and walking on eggshells. A lot of people had their careers and reputation destroyed over pretty anodyne opinions and normal political activity. Or such terrible things as holding ones arm out the window of ones truck with your fingers vaguely looking like on OK sign (which was not an offensive symbol until a successful trolling convinced a certain kind of person that it’s some secret far right symbol).
Probably one of the craziest episodes was when CNN devoted resources to find some random guy who made a gif of Trump boxing with the CNN logo. CNN found him, then basically threatened to identify him if he didn’t change…his online behavior. His online behavior being make a stupid gif. CNN was proud of this, but it came across as sociopathic.
The vast majority of people caught up in that don’t have the resources of Lucky Palmer, nor the ability to basically start a new company that proves successful and important enough for the same people who were pillorying him to start praising him. It was incredibly satisfying to listen to that. The ability of people to turn on a dime like that reminds me of the kind of mercenary functionaries who survived Stalin’s consolidation of power and purges - chronic backstabbers who would sell out their own mother for career advancement.
Even though the “vibe” shifted, and in many ways that’s a good thing, there was no real accounting of it - it was memory holed. That may be necessary to move on - a bit of cultural amnesia and selective memory to keep the peace - but if/when the vibe shifts again, I think we probably have an idea of who will go back to their old ways. People whose careers were ruined didn’t get an apology, their jobs and reputations backed. The nuts have self deported to bluesky, but mostly kept their careers and reputations in their real lives.
Yeah I thought it was a bit disappointing that Jesse got so defensive instead of just saying sorry. But he had to point out that it was “only” four tweets and they didn’t get much engagement and it would be disingenuous to “fall on his knees.” You don’t have to fall on your knees, just say sorry without making crappy excuses and then move on.
He should have planned it slightly better. His speech started well - got some laughs - but went on too long, He should have also been prepared for the end game when the bullies when they came on at the end - they were bound to be better at this stuff than him.
People are very lame and unoriginal and somehow think it's clever to mindlessly parrot the same trendy talking point they've heard a hundred times.. That's the only reason.
I don't think Nickleback is great, I think they're somewhat bland, generic, and forgettable (or they would be if they weren't turned into a meme), but I think they're fine and I don't mind the music.
I am very mad that my hatred has been appropriated by the Reddit crowd. At peak Nickelback I had a commute that meant I sometimes got to hear the line, "look at this photograph" five times in a day on the radio. These kids couldn't possibly understand what that does to a person.
Yes nickels still, but we eliminated the penny 13 years ago which I think is way overdue in the US. Most people pay electronically and rarely encounter coins. The smallest coin I would bother to handle is the loonie ($1). If I got a quarter or smaller in change I would just give it to a homeless person and even they would probably find it annoyingly small in value.
As a hiking boot wearer who uses two spaces after a period (when on a computer, on a phone it's a whole other situation), I feel like I have been subject to a lot of aggression from Katie in recent episodes! But really the two spaces things is just muscle memory. I can't stop!
I’m 61 years old, rapidly closing in on 62, and I adapted to a single space after a period something like 20 years ago. You can stop! There is hope for you too!
I have no objection to your boots. That’s between you and your feet. 😹
I worked hard to get through middle school and I won’t sit still and have my education annulled by a couple of punctuation trolls on the internet. From now on I’m bumping it up to 3 spaces after the period.
This is really a pretty gross episode. Just incredibly awful people, which was my read the few other times I have come across the "all-in" podcast so looks like I read that right. Glad this guy got to go up there and say his piece.
Also double spaces are absolutely the way to go. The whole point of spaces is legibility and double spaces between sentences helps them each have their own separate space to breathe and better reflects the actual hierarchy of the written words. Doing single spaces strikes me as similar to not wanting paragraph breaks, sure that is technically more space efficient, but it hurts readability/legibility needlessly.
I was trained to use double spaces too. My dad taught me to type late ‘60s on an old manual typewriter. That was fixed width font though — so I guess I need to get the modern program. What about that EM Dash does that take a space around it or not?
Double spacing after punctuation in digital fonts is like manually adding an extra line after a paragraph even though your word processor already adds a break. It’s wearing a belt with suspenders.
Well that would make a great follow up movie to The Social Network, and could close with Zuckerberg embracing Trump.
It was also really chilling. Lucky - who we should remember was and continues to be relatively young - got hounded out of his job and vocation for engaging in mainstream politics.
And then he got hounded because people enjoyed hounding him.
And the people who hounded him now share the original politics for which he was hounded.
I listened to Luckey talking about Anduril. I'm probably in a minority here, and without particularly liking the guy: When he talks about the adversity to innovation in defense procurement and the long-term problems this creates, I largely agree. Europe's current situation shows what you get if you create a social climate where people are discouraged from working in defense or national security.
Totally. It wasn’t until they mentioned Anduril that I remembered who Palmer Luckey was. Whatever his personal quirks, the guy is doing very important work, or trying to. It made all the ridicule seem sort of trivial.
I'd call mine Anglachel and rebrand as Gurthang after the first few scandals. (Seriously, while it beats Palantir, I still think Anduril is cheesy AF.)
Back when we were a proper country we gave all our doomsday machines badass names from mythology, and now everything is just a lame alpha numeric soup. We finally named our new nuclear missile “Sentinel” (kinda anodyne, but at least they tried) but for like a decade it was just “GBSD”. Our missile defense rockets are “THAAD”, “GBI”, NGI”, “GPI”, and, lamest of all, “Standard Missile 3 Block IIA”.
In that spirit, I like Anduril. Our commie murdering drones *should* come from the Flame of the West.
Fair enough. I suppose half of my gripe is that Anduril (and even more so Palantir, which isn't even a proper name, just a class of objects) is taken from LoTR, which "everybody" (ahem) knows. True geeks would pick something way more obscure.
My hypothesis that people use their dogs as an excuse to lecture people about fireworks when it's really just that they are bothered, and it's not that big of a deal for the dogs, now has one more data point..
We have coddled the dogs as badly as we have coddled the children. Also, I think the demographics of dog owners have shifted dramatically towards people who don't have children or yards and fixate on every move their dog makes.
Tbf I had dogs growing up and on 'bonfire night' (Nov 5 - UK) Our pets (dogs and cats) hated fireworks. However, we just acknowledged it, we went out of our way to make some reassuring noises to them/offer extra cuddles or strokes, and it was fine. I think it's more noticeable that owners these days go so much further, complaining publicly and suggesting things like fireworks should be banned... Then again... It was also a time when if a vet's bill looked too steep and especially if the animal was old people were more ready to put an animal to sleep. Of course with sadness , but with a strong sense of what a pet is (i.e. not a child) The amount of cash many people spend on insurance/vets bills today is really eye-watering compared to the past, and seems to reflect a profound change in the type/degree of attachment many people develop for pets.
I'm not sure its attachment, I doubt people who put their pets down in the past loved them less. It strikes me as a sort of mass hysteria. An inability to deal with reality that has been normalized. It seems to be all of a piece with widespread embrace of cultural and political beliefs that don't map onto reality: trans, patriarchy, white supremacy, etc. Pizzagate, Qanon, etc.
I think people in the past perhaps did love their dogs less, on average. Or have a less intimate attachment, anyway. It’s hard to avoid being deeply attached to an animal who sleeps with his head on your pillow every night. Contrast that with how you feel toward the dog who lives in the yard and you only hang out with when you come outside.
The word “lapdog” used to refer to a subtype of dog that you actually let live in your house and cuddle with you. Now every dog is a lapdog.
Just a theory, but when we were young we roamed all over with our dogs, almost never with leashes. From the dogs’ pov we owned the whole damn place, it was all our territory. Now dogs spend their days watching their owners stare at iPads and put Tikka masala in the microwave. When they do go outside they are held on a leash and watch their owners fret over their poop- a territorial marker. No wonder they’re nervous.
I don't think dogs are getting more nervous. If anything, there seem to be more aggressive "little dick" dogs on a chain around ready to murder my kids.
It's getting a bit crazy isn't it with some of these dogs? I'm all for liberal freedoms, but I don't think it should be legal to own an animal that could relatively easily kill a person. Some of the dogs I see round my area (N. London, a bit on the rough side) are just terrifying, as big as me with a muscular head twice the size of mine... Often being 'walked' by skinny, twitchy, people who would be completely overpowered if their animal really went for it.The sad thing is when the attacks actually happen it's mostly the owner's own friends or family (or terribly, children) that get savaged.
The UK government tries to control the most 'dangerous' (or is it 'feared'?) breeds, but of course it's like whack-a-mole... There'll be another new 'legal' pony-sized attack dog being bred somewhere as we speak, which will be outlawed after a few 10s of people have been chewed up and the cycle repeats.
I'm also North London! Near Essex Road, the "wrong side of the tracks" of Islington as opposed to Upper Street.
I absolutely think it should be illegal to have a dog that you physically cannot control. It wouldn't be that hard to test, either - just have a policeman hold out a big steak and see if they can stop it from moving. I've seen tiny women walking these things, presumably for their son or husband, and I don't believe for a second they'd be able to restrain them.
And if not, immediate dog execution. I'm not fucking around here.
Oh wow! Really close! I'm Finsbury Park/Blackstock Road. I totally know what you mean about the short skinny women walking huge frightening dogs. I see them around too. I was in Archway the other day and this big thing that looked like the offspring of a mastiff and a lion suddenly got really interested in me and started dragging its owner towards me... Only for a split second, until it smelt something interesting on a tree and lost interest... The thing is, even if it was just coming over to say hello... I don't know, but I do know if it had gotten up close and taken a dislike to me I'd be completely f*cked.
I have an Italian greyhound puppy, whom I was worried would get scared, but she stood outside with the fam trying to catch a glimpse of the fireworks until the mosquitoes got too vicious to stand. Mind you, she’s scared of plastic bags on the sidewalk. I think people coddle dogs a bit too much.
On Nextdoor people have been posting videos and photos saying "Look at my poor baby! She was shaken all night!!!" and in my gut I just feel like, no, YOU were the one all upset and you're projecting on your dog. Back in the 80s our dogs barked for awhile and then would calm down once they noticed we weren't bothered. And there was an insane amount of noise back then. More illegals, everyone in the neighborhood had those horrible piccolo petes, and every church, automall, and convention center had their own professional show.
My cats don’t blink at the Fourth of July fireworks or at thunderclaps that make me think the world is actually ending. I love a good storm but lately my little college town feels like we might have landed on Venus without me noticing— less like a rumble, more of a gunshot.
But my town is also completely overrun with whitetail deer, and when things got loud on the fourth, I saw a doe crossing my street with two fawns. Mama looked massively stressed. Don’t ask me how I knew; mamas can tell when one of our kind is about to crash out. This doe was about to lose her shit.
What about non-human animals that live in the woods and all around us? Humans are not the only residents of Earth. Dogs and cats that have homes can be sheltered, but there are millions of strays, deer, birds etc.
The deer were definitely on the move late on July 4. BUT, the deer in my town are so tame you can get within 6 feet of them and they won't bolt. Once my kid was within 8 feet but with a lawnmower, which was running.
My local deer honestly could use stronger survival instincts.
Right, the defense contractors bribe the politicians to vote for government spending on defense budgets. I just never worked out who at Raytheon or Sikorsky is dictating specific foreign policy.
No good argument for that. "War machines industry" does not explain Putin's aggression in Ukraine, nor the various Islamist-led conflicts in the middle east
Are they suggesting that they believe this (their classic "libtard" beliefs make that uncontroversial) or that they see this as likely in the zeitgeist? Cause, that would be my read on things at both ends of the spectrum, both populist right and left would see the Big 6 as acceptable targets. Warmongering, iron mongers.
MANY Canadians detest Nickelback.. we are more of a Tragically Hip nation. However most of us see them as a tired velveeta version of Rock from the early 2000’s.
I can happily name 100 Canadian bands that are head and shoulders better.
Katie’s encounters are just aberrations of throwback rock demography.
The ratio of how correct Palmer Lucky was to how unlikable he came off was genuinely weird in this series.
Maybe it's the way he seemingly contextualizes his drone company like "I'd rather be making video games, but I'm not allowed to so now I have to kill people". He could have just started like a VR games company (the lack of software really held the tech back) or made 3d treadmills or something. No one forced him to swan dive into the military industrial complex.
Like Bill Gates was a rat bastard who fucked over everybody he interacted with, but he chose to spend his testosterone making personal computers and then donating to charity, so I don't have any distaste to spare for him.
At a certain point what you're actually doing matters a lot more than whether you're nice about it. And sure, the drones would get built without him and his money– and by the same token, somebody else would execute those Vietnamese farmers as saboteurs if Lt Smith didn't. It doesn't mean the aggrieved billionaire who creates autonomous murder drones for the military because some people online were mean to him is obviated from responsibility.
I suspect he quite reasonably felt cancelled out of the whole VR industry and everything adjacent to it. When the barbarians burn your village, building a new one nearby seems foolish.
As for drones. I have kids of military age. I am a great fan of the west having drones and landmines and other remote ways of doing combat.
I would say he came off very petty and a bit whiny. Don’t get me wrong, he’s got extremely legitimate beef that he was run out of his own company for having bad politics.
But he didn’t get up and make a speech about the ethics of cancellation or free speech or anonymity, he got up and whined about being called mean names by a guy who was at most a bit player in him getting canned.
Likewise with his whole preemptive screed about Jesse. Here’s Katie coming to give a reasonably sympathetic profile and he totally burns that bridge over apparently a handful of Jesse shitposts that no one even interacted with.
It just seems immature, like a guy that smart should be able to figure out how to play this game a little better.
For me, I relate to Lucky as a startup guy who is also an engineer, that bias's me. Jesse name calling when Lucky was losing his life (your first startup really is your whole world, it was for me) is a grudge I can understand, also they did not actually look at what Jesse actually said at the time, only the easily search able responses. Jesse was a horrid person back then dogpiling on people who was not him which he has apologized for but I suspect Lucky remembers.
I can not imagine what it is like changing the world with tech you built in your folks backyard being taken from you cause you gave 9k, as person who has 900 mio and that being taken away from you. He should be unreasonable angry more than is normal.
Seriously? Did you finish the episode? He comes off as a remarkably thin-skinned prick. If you’re a public figure with a huge platform and you use it to whine about someone calling you an idiot, you suck, full stop.
I feel like there's some revisionist history going on here: 'Alt-right' does not necessarily mean racist, it certainly didn't when that term first became widely used.
I think it mostly has that association because leftists use the term as a soft euphemism for racist extremists, but in reality only a subset of the alt-right movement, and a handful of public figures, were blatantly racist.
The term has become such a smear that no one really describes themselves as alt-right anymore, but that's not what the term ever really meant.
And Pepe the frog is certainly is not a racist hate symbol, at least not always. It's sometimes used in a racist context, but it has been used in many different ways, the history of that meme is pretty complicated, in fact I think BARPod has discussed this at some point.
(I'm not an expert on either of these topics, and I've forgotten most of what I knew about both, but I'm fairly confident that my recollection on this is accurate.)
Does it not? I’ve been hearing that since the Milo days when I had been a big fan of Carl Benjamin AKA Sargon of Akkad and that explosion of right leaning “classical liberals” and the like. It always seemed to be used in the context of actually racist people.
Like saying things such as “Maybe mainstream black culture is harmful and destructive,” isn’t alt right in my mind.
But saying things like “Black Africans cannot progress past thatch huts on their own because they are literally not smart enough to do it,” which I personally had a conversation about with a guy I used to play video games with, is alt right. And by alt right I mean incredibly racist.
When did it gain widespread use, and what was the original meaning? I feel like I remember it around the 2015 ish mark, give or take. But to be fair I wasn’t quite paying attention back then like I do now so I could be wrong.
I mean after following him a while I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually was. It would not be a shock if he faked almost all of his entire persona.
But no I don’t. I think he was a flamboyant entertainer. A lot like Alex Jones. Not to be taken quite seriously, but could point out some true things, with the shield of being gay and into black guys.
I also only mentioned him as a general time frame because he was the first person to pop in my head.
Also, there is something to be said about the idea of being with a certain type of person for fetishistic reasons.
He can fuck black guys while still thinking they are inferior.
I'm having a hard time thinking of remembering any other alt-right figures myself.
I have a vague sense of it being a younger, edgier, more online right-wing movement than was fond of memes and didn't necessarily have the same political concerns as traditional conservatives, but that's about it.
But very quickly, within a few years if not almost immediately, the term 'alt-right' became a way to smear someone as a racist extremist without actually calling them that directly, so that became the implicit meaning of the term 95% of the time.
And so most alt-right figures quickly distanced themselves from the movement and no one except open racists identified themselves with that term anymore..
But that doesn't mean the slur is accurate, it means we live in a world where most journalists are morons and hacks who don't have a serious commitment to the truth.
Oh yeah for sure. I mean I consider myself a right leaning centrist but the type of people that throw around alt right accusations willy nilly would absolutely say I’m an alt right Nazi if they could look in my brain.
I found it very agreeable how Lucky Palmer described journalists in his email to Katie.
Yeah it's funny how leftists seem to think that anyone who's even a little bit heterodox or independent is far-right..
They've been calling Joe Rogan that for years, even though he's still about as much a leftist as he always was.
On that recent bonus episode where Jessie debated a retard (I forget the guy's name), the retard referenced Tim Pool repeatedly and called him a right-winger, which he really isn't, he's basically still a Bernie Bro.
I'm sorry Katie, I learned how to touch type before the web standard of one space after a period. I was marked off in college if I had one space. You don't need to call us monsters. I have to think about only having once space. It slows down my typing.
I too learned two... spaces in school, at least. But then I co-edited my school newspaper and learned we don't have room for two spaces. Are you crazy! But it was all about squeezing every character in, not aesthetics.
I learned how to touch type in 1978/79. Weirdly, my mom was my typing teacher in school! We had so much fun in that class that when I attended an all-school reunion last summer, the MC joked about the pranks Mom let us get away with and the ones she shut down deftly, with a smile. We were pretty good kids, and my mom had a brilliant way of managing a classroom.
I’m curious how and when you learned to type. I feel like many of us who are Boomers or Gen X learned in school and this served us brilliantly in college, grad school, and employment. Among older Boomers, I suspect most boys didn’t learn to type properly, because it was assumed to be a useful skill for secretaries, and no boy aspired to that role.
My ability to type fast and well has been a great boon for the past 40+ years. Yes, I did secretarial work when I was an undergrad, but touch typing came in even handier at every step along the way.
Don’t ask me to use my thumbs to text on my phone, though. I may be a young Boomer, but I’m still definitely a Boomer!
I am on the cusp between Boomer and Gen X, so I also learned to type in school. When I was in college, I used a typewriter as an English major (many, many papers), and by the time I was a senior, word processors were available in the computer lab. Being able to type quickly has served me very well!
Yes, by my junior year – fall 1983 – there were computers in the basement of my dorm. Vintage IBMs running MSDOS with floppy disks for storage. Beat the heck out of my prior habit of writing an essay directly on the typewriter, sometimes directly as a final draft if it was short.
The way that woman corrected the guy to say CHESTfeeding made me twitch
So stupid. They're still breasts! Fucking fat guys have breasts sometimes, too. Mammary glands don't care what pronoun pins you wear. They produce milk, they're breasts. Period.
All humans have breast tissue and nipples.
Exactly. There's literally zero reason to call it "chestfeeding" beyond coddling like a dozen profoundly fragile people and deliberately annoying damn near everyone else. If it ain't broke, fix it anyway.
Nippledectomies must be a thing.
Some trans guys who get top surgeries do lose the nipples with the skin. I think sometimes they get something tattooed on to replace them.
I remember hearing about a pregnant trans guy recently that got pregnant, still had breast tissue, but no more nipples, so the milk had nowhere to go
All milked up and no place to go.
SAY THE NAMES
SAY THE PARTS!!!
“Okay wait so…he…? Is pregnant but is breast—chest—and he has ovaries. Ok, got it.”
Nobody has ever sounded less like they understand the thing they’re saying they understand.
I took the "I get it" to mean 'Oh I see you mean this is actually a woman you're describing, but we're pretending that she's a man. Cool, I'll play along. Because I'm a good person and good people always play along.'
Palmer Luckey is incredibly ballsy to directly confronting people on their bullshit. More people would be better people if the people they shit on called them out publicly and without remorse.
It was amazing to hear him call out Jason Calacanis like that. That period, roughly 2015-2022, was insane. While few of us were famous enough to be publicly cancelled, we all remember the self censorship and walking on eggshells. A lot of people had their careers and reputation destroyed over pretty anodyne opinions and normal political activity. Or such terrible things as holding ones arm out the window of ones truck with your fingers vaguely looking like on OK sign (which was not an offensive symbol until a successful trolling convinced a certain kind of person that it’s some secret far right symbol).
Probably one of the craziest episodes was when CNN devoted resources to find some random guy who made a gif of Trump boxing with the CNN logo. CNN found him, then basically threatened to identify him if he didn’t change…his online behavior. His online behavior being make a stupid gif. CNN was proud of this, but it came across as sociopathic.
The vast majority of people caught up in that don’t have the resources of Lucky Palmer, nor the ability to basically start a new company that proves successful and important enough for the same people who were pillorying him to start praising him. It was incredibly satisfying to listen to that. The ability of people to turn on a dime like that reminds me of the kind of mercenary functionaries who survived Stalin’s consolidation of power and purges - chronic backstabbers who would sell out their own mother for career advancement.
Even though the “vibe” shifted, and in many ways that’s a good thing, there was no real accounting of it - it was memory holed. That may be necessary to move on - a bit of cultural amnesia and selective memory to keep the peace - but if/when the vibe shifts again, I think we probably have an idea of who will go back to their old ways. People whose careers were ruined didn’t get an apology, their jobs and reputations backed. The nuts have self deported to bluesky, but mostly kept their careers and reputations in their real lives.
Jesse still needs to 1) actually apologize and 2) finally admit that he’s a political idiot.
Yeah I thought it was a bit disappointing that Jesse got so defensive instead of just saying sorry. But he had to point out that it was “only” four tweets and they didn’t get much engagement and it would be disingenuous to “fall on his knees.” You don’t have to fall on your knees, just say sorry without making crappy excuses and then move on.
To hear Jesse criticize Calacanis while failing to simply say “sorry that was immature and unprofessional” was surprising.
He did finally get there though, if I recall
We've become a nation of Nancy Graces.
It’s literally the only likeable thing he’s ever done, in my book.
What do you dislike about him?
He should have planned it slightly better. His speech started well - got some laughs - but went on too long, He should have also been prepared for the end game when the bullies when they came on at the end - they were bound to be better at this stuff than him.
Totally.
Nickelback *is* a good band. Haters gonna hate.
I mean they seem fine, not my cup of tea, but I never understood the hate.
People are very lame and unoriginal and somehow think it's clever to mindlessly parrot the same trendy talking point they've heard a hundred times.. That's the only reason.
I don't think Nickleback is great, I think they're somewhat bland, generic, and forgettable (or they would be if they weren't turned into a meme), but I think they're fine and I don't mind the music.
People are lame and unoriginal for not liking the quintessential lame and unoriginal band? That’s a bit of a logical dead end.
I am very mad that my hatred has been appropriated by the Reddit crowd. At peak Nickelback I had a commute that meant I sometimes got to hear the line, "look at this photograph" five times in a day on the radio. These kids couldn't possibly understand what that does to a person.
Double posting to give a shout out to Nelly Furtado and "I'm like a bird". It's like I've got adiological PTSD.
Does that song make you wanna fly away…
Into oncoming traffic?
It may be the sole reason for median improvement along that stretch of freeway!
I despise that woman.
It’s not a bad song, but repeated exposure grates…and that guy’s very scraggly voice wears on the ears. I wonder how that’s sustainable for him
The one good thing about that song is that is spawned this perfect parody https://youtu.be/Hdr2sSezU1g?si=3m4Os07FP1vVD3W6
I think it's his voice. Listening to them makes me want to clear my throat all the time.
That’s how I felt during the 90’s.
Nickelback is mediocre*, kinda lowbrow, and very popular.
Which means that hipsters love to performatively hate them.
*judging on the curve of “acts that are famous enough that everyone knows them”, which is pretty rarefied air
As a hater, I can confirm I’m gonna hate
I can’t tell the difference between them and Hoobastank
Yeah. I can't tell the difference between a piano and a violin. We all have our issues.
Oh, the Hoobastank are much worse!
I remember when Hoobastank was stanking up the airwaves and performed live on MTV (or something.) They were SO bad. SO bad.
At least Nickelback delivers what they advertise.
Who?
Bastank!
Hoobastank up this concert!?
All these comments about Nickelback have me longing for the days when people on this forum mostly talked about hiking boots.
You’re not wrong
They have a good CD worth of music but they've released the same stuff for 30 years now.
Simple, formulaic, unchanging. Not great, not inspiring. Light beer.
(Ok, did just jam to Leader of men)
They're totally fine, everybody just hates that dude's hair.
Canadian?
Do they even have nickels up there?
Yes nickels still, but we eliminated the penny 13 years ago which I think is way overdue in the US. Most people pay electronically and rarely encounter coins. The smallest coin I would bother to handle is the loonie ($1). If I got a quarter or smaller in change I would just give it to a homeless person and even they would probably find it annoyingly small in value.
As a hiking boot wearer who uses two spaces after a period (when on a computer, on a phone it's a whole other situation), I feel like I have been subject to a lot of aggression from Katie in recent episodes! But really the two spaces things is just muscle memory. I can't stop!
I’m 61 years old, rapidly closing in on 62, and I adapted to a single space after a period something like 20 years ago. You can stop! There is hope for you too!
I have no objection to your boots. That’s between you and your feet. 😹
Or maybe more correctly, between Sarah's feet and the ground?
I worked hard to get through middle school and I won’t sit still and have my education annulled by a couple of punctuation trolls on the internet. From now on I’m bumping it up to 3 spaces after the period.
This is really a pretty gross episode. Just incredibly awful people, which was my read the few other times I have come across the "all-in" podcast so looks like I read that right. Glad this guy got to go up there and say his piece.
Also double spaces are absolutely the way to go. The whole point of spaces is legibility and double spaces between sentences helps them each have their own separate space to breathe and better reflects the actual hierarchy of the written words. Doing single spaces strikes me as similar to not wanting paragraph breaks, sure that is technically more space efficient, but it hurts readability/legibility needlessly.
Double spaces are a strong sign of demonic influence.
Every notorious cult leader in the past 75 years has used double spaces.
Is this really the kind of company you want to keep?
I’ve notified interpol that you have violated international law by advocating for double spaces.
(Pro tip: If you want legibility, use the font Atkinson Hyperlegible).
I feel vindicated. I’ll break you out of hippo prison if interpol ever puts you there.
I was trained to use double spaces too. My dad taught me to type late ‘60s on an old manual typewriter. That was fixed width font though — so I guess I need to get the modern program. What about that EM Dash does that take a space around it or not?
Double spacing after punctuation in digital fonts is like manually adding an extra line after a paragraph even though your word processor already adds a break. It’s wearing a belt with suspenders.
Well that would make a great follow up movie to The Social Network, and could close with Zuckerberg embracing Trump.
It was also really chilling. Lucky - who we should remember was and continues to be relatively young - got hounded out of his job and vocation for engaging in mainstream politics.
And then he got hounded because people enjoyed hounding him.
And the people who hounded him now share the original politics for which he was hounded.
You can't actually run a democracy like that.
Also quite ironic that he got hounded out of doing something essentially harmless (entertainment) to making weapons of war for Peter Theil.
It is the plot of Animal Farm come to life.
Orwell, of course, being cancelled these days. Wonder why....
They are making a Social Network sequel, so you might get your wish!
https://deadline.com/2025/06/the-social-network-sequel-aaron-sorkin-1236439539/
Well said.
I know it’s not super relevant but I can’t believe the fact that Palmer Luckey’s brother-in-law is Matt Gaetz never came up during either episode!!
😮
My comment about barpod missing trace applies here: https://www.blockedandreported.org/p/episode-266-how-the-daily-beast-took/comment/131884673?r=jfclt&utm_medium=ios
I listened to Luckey talking about Anduril. I'm probably in a minority here, and without particularly liking the guy: When he talks about the adversity to innovation in defense procurement and the long-term problems this creates, I largely agree. Europe's current situation shows what you get if you create a social climate where people are discouraged from working in defense or national security.
It seemed like the hosts dismissed the defense industry out of hand which is becoming the normal position on the left these days
Defense bad until we remember that Ukraine exists.
Totally. It wasn’t until they mentioned Anduril that I remembered who Palmer Luckey was. Whatever his personal quirks, the guy is doing very important work, or trying to. It made all the ridicule seem sort of trivial.
Also, did I miss them laughing at the name? Of course that's what a nerd calls his defence company!
Nobody here has mentioned Katie’s butchered pronunciation. Do better, nerds!
I'd call mine Anglachel and rebrand as Gurthang after the first few scandals. (Seriously, while it beats Palantir, I still think Anduril is cheesy AF.)
Back when we were a proper country we gave all our doomsday machines badass names from mythology, and now everything is just a lame alpha numeric soup. We finally named our new nuclear missile “Sentinel” (kinda anodyne, but at least they tried) but for like a decade it was just “GBSD”. Our missile defense rockets are “THAAD”, “GBI”, NGI”, “GPI”, and, lamest of all, “Standard Missile 3 Block IIA”.
In that spirit, I like Anduril. Our commie murdering drones *should* come from the Flame of the West.
Fair enough. I suppose half of my gripe is that Anduril (and even more so Palantir, which isn't even a proper name, just a class of objects) is taken from LoTR, which "everybody" (ahem) knows. True geeks would pick something way more obscure.
Yes. This.
My hypothesis that people use their dogs as an excuse to lecture people about fireworks when it's really just that they are bothered, and it's not that big of a deal for the dogs, now has one more data point..
Like why tf were dogs all ok with fireworks until like ten years ago? When I was growing up I never heard of a dog who was afraid of fireworks.
We have coddled the dogs as badly as we have coddled the children. Also, I think the demographics of dog owners have shifted dramatically towards people who don't have children or yards and fixate on every move their dog makes.
Tbf I had dogs growing up and on 'bonfire night' (Nov 5 - UK) Our pets (dogs and cats) hated fireworks. However, we just acknowledged it, we went out of our way to make some reassuring noises to them/offer extra cuddles or strokes, and it was fine. I think it's more noticeable that owners these days go so much further, complaining publicly and suggesting things like fireworks should be banned... Then again... It was also a time when if a vet's bill looked too steep and especially if the animal was old people were more ready to put an animal to sleep. Of course with sadness , but with a strong sense of what a pet is (i.e. not a child) The amount of cash many people spend on insurance/vets bills today is really eye-watering compared to the past, and seems to reflect a profound change in the type/degree of attachment many people develop for pets.
I'm not sure its attachment, I doubt people who put their pets down in the past loved them less. It strikes me as a sort of mass hysteria. An inability to deal with reality that has been normalized. It seems to be all of a piece with widespread embrace of cultural and political beliefs that don't map onto reality: trans, patriarchy, white supremacy, etc. Pizzagate, Qanon, etc.
I think people in the past perhaps did love their dogs less, on average. Or have a less intimate attachment, anyway. It’s hard to avoid being deeply attached to an animal who sleeps with his head on your pillow every night. Contrast that with how you feel toward the dog who lives in the yard and you only hang out with when you come outside.
The word “lapdog” used to refer to a subtype of dog that you actually let live in your house and cuddle with you. Now every dog is a lapdog.
Just a theory, but when we were young we roamed all over with our dogs, almost never with leashes. From the dogs’ pov we owned the whole damn place, it was all our territory. Now dogs spend their days watching their owners stare at iPads and put Tikka masala in the microwave. When they do go outside they are held on a leash and watch their owners fret over their poop- a territorial marker. No wonder they’re nervous.
I don't think dogs are getting more nervous. If anything, there seem to be more aggressive "little dick" dogs on a chain around ready to murder my kids.
Maybe I'm more nervous.
It's getting a bit crazy isn't it with some of these dogs? I'm all for liberal freedoms, but I don't think it should be legal to own an animal that could relatively easily kill a person. Some of the dogs I see round my area (N. London, a bit on the rough side) are just terrifying, as big as me with a muscular head twice the size of mine... Often being 'walked' by skinny, twitchy, people who would be completely overpowered if their animal really went for it.The sad thing is when the attacks actually happen it's mostly the owner's own friends or family (or terribly, children) that get savaged.
The UK government tries to control the most 'dangerous' (or is it 'feared'?) breeds, but of course it's like whack-a-mole... There'll be another new 'legal' pony-sized attack dog being bred somewhere as we speak, which will be outlawed after a few 10s of people have been chewed up and the cycle repeats.
I'm also North London! Near Essex Road, the "wrong side of the tracks" of Islington as opposed to Upper Street.
I absolutely think it should be illegal to have a dog that you physically cannot control. It wouldn't be that hard to test, either - just have a policeman hold out a big steak and see if they can stop it from moving. I've seen tiny women walking these things, presumably for their son or husband, and I don't believe for a second they'd be able to restrain them.
And if not, immediate dog execution. I'm not fucking around here.
Oh wow! Really close! I'm Finsbury Park/Blackstock Road. I totally know what you mean about the short skinny women walking huge frightening dogs. I see them around too. I was in Archway the other day and this big thing that looked like the offspring of a mastiff and a lion suddenly got really interested in me and started dragging its owner towards me... Only for a split second, until it smelt something interesting on a tree and lost interest... The thing is, even if it was just coming over to say hello... I don't know, but I do know if it had gotten up close and taken a dislike to me I'd be completely f*cked.
I think you’re on to something.
Where I grew up, dogs were outside pets. I don’t know anybody these days who has an outside dog.
I have an Italian greyhound puppy, whom I was worried would get scared, but she stood outside with the fam trying to catch a glimpse of the fireworks until the mosquitoes got too vicious to stand. Mind you, she’s scared of plastic bags on the sidewalk. I think people coddle dogs a bit too much.
On Nextdoor people have been posting videos and photos saying "Look at my poor baby! She was shaken all night!!!" and in my gut I just feel like, no, YOU were the one all upset and you're projecting on your dog. Back in the 80s our dogs barked for awhile and then would calm down once they noticed we weren't bothered. And there was an insane amount of noise back then. More illegals, everyone in the neighborhood had those horrible piccolo petes, and every church, automall, and convention center had their own professional show.
My cats don’t blink at the Fourth of July fireworks or at thunderclaps that make me think the world is actually ending. I love a good storm but lately my little college town feels like we might have landed on Venus without me noticing— less like a rumble, more of a gunshot.
But my town is also completely overrun with whitetail deer, and when things got loud on the fourth, I saw a doe crossing my street with two fawns. Mama looked massively stressed. Don’t ask me how I knew; mamas can tell when one of our kind is about to crash out. This doe was about to lose her shit.
Those fawns were probably giving her shit.
Maybe they wanted to stay where they'd get a better view of the aerial fireworks? Or wanted to shoot off their own Roman candles?
What about non-human animals that live in the woods and all around us? Humans are not the only residents of Earth. Dogs and cats that have homes can be sheltered, but there are millions of strays, deer, birds etc.
Talk to their union?
The deer were definitely on the move late on July 4. BUT, the deer in my town are so tame you can get within 6 feet of them and they won't bolt. Once my kid was within 8 feet but with a lawnmower, which was running.
My local deer honestly could use stronger survival instincts.
Same with my local deer. I’ll go out in my yard and they’ll just stand there and look at me.
Silicon valley is a different world. How can there be so many insufferable people in one place?
Nerds.
Particularly nerds who think the problem with them being bullied in high school wasn't the bullying, but who was doing it.
Economies of scale.
Why do our hosts think that having military contracts is an obviously cancelable offense?
I don’t know if it’s cancelable, but there’s an argument that the war machines industry keeps the entire world permanently at war by buying lawmakers…
Right, the defense contractors bribe the politicians to vote for government spending on defense budgets. I just never worked out who at Raytheon or Sikorsky is dictating specific foreign policy.
Don't you know that war is baaad m'kay?
*I morph into Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men*
No good argument for that. "War machines industry" does not explain Putin's aggression in Ukraine, nor the various Islamist-led conflicts in the middle east
On the Islamists: Charlie Wilson supplied them with guns, guns cause war by whispering into their owners' ears at night, ergo; we started it.
Are they suggesting that they believe this (their classic "libtard" beliefs make that uncontroversial) or that they see this as likely in the zeitgeist? Cause, that would be my read on things at both ends of the spectrum, both populist right and left would see the Big 6 as acceptable targets. Warmongering, iron mongers.
Could be either, though Katie has said on this podcast that she doesn’t think she could be friends with someone who works for a defense contractor.
Yeeeah, that sounds like our girl, crunchy AF.
Oddly, the crunchy ones are always the softest targets.
MANY Canadians detest Nickelback.. we are more of a Tragically Hip nation. However most of us see them as a tired velveeta version of Rock from the early 2000’s.
I can happily name 100 Canadian bands that are head and shoulders better.
Katie’s encounters are just aberrations of throwback rock demography.
Early 2000s Velveeta Rock is a good name for my man’s favorite genre, I think. 😭
He’s not complicated. 😂 Which is great. We can’t both be like this.
If you can’t get into a heavy rotation of Coldplay and Five for Fighting hits, it’s probably just because you’re not drinking anywhere near enough.
As a Canadian this sounds aboot right to me.
Please name 100 Canadian bands that are head and shoulders better.
I’m actually quite happy to, but I have to go to work. I will list them this evening.
In no particular order, it’s not quite 100 – but I didn’t get a chance to include anything outside of rock and roots.
Grapes of wrath
Japandroids
Pursuit of happiness
Buffalo Springfield
DOA
Metric
Skinny Puppy
Les Cowboy Frigantes
Blue rodeo
Spirit of the West
Mother mother
Red Rider
Alexisonfire
The tragically hip
Finger Eleven
Mathew good band
Broken Social Scene
Rush
Arcade Fire
Barenaked Ladies
The Guess Who
Metric
Our Lady Peace
Crash test dummies
Sloan
Blue Rodeo
The New Pornographers
The Sheepdogs
Sam Roberts Band
Cowboy Junkies
The Weakerthans
City and Colour
The Trews
The Band
Death from above 1979
Odds
The Pursuit of Happiness
Great Big Sea
The Headstones
54-40
Billy talent
Men without hats
Moist
Chilliwack
The Northern Pikes
The Tea Party
Steppenwolf
Walk Off the Earth
The Sadies
Sum 41
Martha and the Muffins
The Rheostatics
The Wailin' Jennys
The Avett Brothers
The Shins
Bachman-turner overdrive
Metric
Loverboy
April Wine
Triumph
Lowest of the Low
Haywire
Death cab for Cutie
Big Sugar
The great lake swimmers
SNFU
Glass Tiger
The Be good Tanyas
The Rankin Family
If I was Palmey Luckey I'd be more embarrassed that I only donated $9,000. That's Musk level rich guy stingy.....
I assume it was the cost of buying the billboard, since Nimble apparently did nothing else.
I'm totally unfamiliar with billboard pricing.
Good to know thanks!
To be fair, he probably saw it as more of a lark than a serious investment in swinging the outcome.
The ratio of how correct Palmer Lucky was to how unlikable he came off was genuinely weird in this series.
Maybe it's the way he seemingly contextualizes his drone company like "I'd rather be making video games, but I'm not allowed to so now I have to kill people". He could have just started like a VR games company (the lack of software really held the tech back) or made 3d treadmills or something. No one forced him to swan dive into the military industrial complex.
Like Bill Gates was a rat bastard who fucked over everybody he interacted with, but he chose to spend his testosterone making personal computers and then donating to charity, so I don't have any distaste to spare for him.
At a certain point what you're actually doing matters a lot more than whether you're nice about it. And sure, the drones would get built without him and his money– and by the same token, somebody else would execute those Vietnamese farmers as saboteurs if Lt Smith didn't. It doesn't mean the aggrieved billionaire who creates autonomous murder drones for the military because some people online were mean to him is obviated from responsibility.
I suspect he quite reasonably felt cancelled out of the whole VR industry and everything adjacent to it. When the barbarians burn your village, building a new one nearby seems foolish.
As for drones. I have kids of military age. I am a great fan of the west having drones and landmines and other remote ways of doing combat.
Why do you think he came across as unlikable?
I would say he came off very petty and a bit whiny. Don’t get me wrong, he’s got extremely legitimate beef that he was run out of his own company for having bad politics.
But he didn’t get up and make a speech about the ethics of cancellation or free speech or anonymity, he got up and whined about being called mean names by a guy who was at most a bit player in him getting canned.
Likewise with his whole preemptive screed about Jesse. Here’s Katie coming to give a reasonably sympathetic profile and he totally burns that bridge over apparently a handful of Jesse shitposts that no one even interacted with.
It just seems immature, like a guy that smart should be able to figure out how to play this game a little better.
This is a great response.
For me, I relate to Lucky as a startup guy who is also an engineer, that bias's me. Jesse name calling when Lucky was losing his life (your first startup really is your whole world, it was for me) is a grudge I can understand, also they did not actually look at what Jesse actually said at the time, only the easily search able responses. Jesse was a horrid person back then dogpiling on people who was not him which he has apologized for but I suspect Lucky remembers.
I can not imagine what it is like changing the world with tech you built in your folks backyard being taken from you cause you gave 9k, as person who has 900 mio and that being taken away from you. He should be unreasonable angry more than is normal.
That was just my gut reaction. He's not extremely unlikable, but it's there.
He just seemed like a successful geek. Probably interesting to talk to, maybe a bit spikey.
Seriously? Did you finish the episode? He comes off as a remarkably thin-skinned prick. If you’re a public figure with a huge platform and you use it to whine about someone calling you an idiot, you suck, full stop.
I feel like there's some revisionist history going on here: 'Alt-right' does not necessarily mean racist, it certainly didn't when that term first became widely used.
I think it mostly has that association because leftists use the term as a soft euphemism for racist extremists, but in reality only a subset of the alt-right movement, and a handful of public figures, were blatantly racist.
The term has become such a smear that no one really describes themselves as alt-right anymore, but that's not what the term ever really meant.
And Pepe the frog is certainly is not a racist hate symbol, at least not always. It's sometimes used in a racist context, but it has been used in many different ways, the history of that meme is pretty complicated, in fact I think BARPod has discussed this at some point.
(I'm not an expert on either of these topics, and I've forgotten most of what I knew about both, but I'm fairly confident that my recollection on this is accurate.)
Does it not? I’ve been hearing that since the Milo days when I had been a big fan of Carl Benjamin AKA Sargon of Akkad and that explosion of right leaning “classical liberals” and the like. It always seemed to be used in the context of actually racist people.
Like saying things such as “Maybe mainstream black culture is harmful and destructive,” isn’t alt right in my mind.
But saying things like “Black Africans cannot progress past thatch huts on their own because they are literally not smart enough to do it,” which I personally had a conversation about with a guy I used to play video games with, is alt right. And by alt right I mean incredibly racist.
When did it gain widespread use, and what was the original meaning? I feel like I remember it around the 2015 ish mark, give or take. But to be fair I wasn’t quite paying attention back then like I do now so I could be wrong.
Milo was either married to, or in a serious long term relationship with, a black guy. Are you saying he's racist?
I mean after following him a while I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually was. It would not be a shock if he faked almost all of his entire persona.
But no I don’t. I think he was a flamboyant entertainer. A lot like Alex Jones. Not to be taken quite seriously, but could point out some true things, with the shield of being gay and into black guys.
I also only mentioned him as a general time frame because he was the first person to pop in my head.
Also, there is something to be said about the idea of being with a certain type of person for fetishistic reasons.
He can fuck black guys while still thinking they are inferior.
I'm having a hard time thinking of remembering any other alt-right figures myself.
I have a vague sense of it being a younger, edgier, more online right-wing movement than was fond of memes and didn't necessarily have the same political concerns as traditional conservatives, but that's about it.
But very quickly, within a few years if not almost immediately, the term 'alt-right' became a way to smear someone as a racist extremist without actually calling them that directly, so that became the implicit meaning of the term 95% of the time.
And so most alt-right figures quickly distanced themselves from the movement and no one except open racists identified themselves with that term anymore..
But that doesn't mean the slur is accurate, it means we live in a world where most journalists are morons and hacks who don't have a serious commitment to the truth.
Oh yeah for sure. I mean I consider myself a right leaning centrist but the type of people that throw around alt right accusations willy nilly would absolutely say I’m an alt right Nazi if they could look in my brain.
I found it very agreeable how Lucky Palmer described journalists in his email to Katie.
So many of them truly deserve a good slap.
Yeah it's funny how leftists seem to think that anyone who's even a little bit heterodox or independent is far-right..
They've been calling Joe Rogan that for years, even though he's still about as much a leftist as he always was.
On that recent bonus episode where Jessie debated a retard (I forget the guy's name), the retard referenced Tim Pool repeatedly and called him a right-winger, which he really isn't, he's basically still a Bernie Bro.
I get the sense that Milo was being fucked by black guys rather than vice versa?
Power bottom.
He was backin it up like a champ and screaming slurs and obscenities the whole time lol
I'm sorry Katie, I learned how to touch type before the web standard of one space after a period. I was marked off in college if I had one space. You don't need to call us monsters. I have to think about only having once space. It slows down my typing.
I too learned two... spaces in school, at least. But then I co-edited my school newspaper and learned we don't have room for two spaces. Are you crazy! But it was all about squeezing every character in, not aesthetics.
I learned how to touch type in 1978/79. Weirdly, my mom was my typing teacher in school! We had so much fun in that class that when I attended an all-school reunion last summer, the MC joked about the pranks Mom let us get away with and the ones she shut down deftly, with a smile. We were pretty good kids, and my mom had a brilliant way of managing a classroom.
I’m curious how and when you learned to type. I feel like many of us who are Boomers or Gen X learned in school and this served us brilliantly in college, grad school, and employment. Among older Boomers, I suspect most boys didn’t learn to type properly, because it was assumed to be a useful skill for secretaries, and no boy aspired to that role.
My ability to type fast and well has been a great boon for the past 40+ years. Yes, I did secretarial work when I was an undergrad, but touch typing came in even handier at every step along the way.
Don’t ask me to use my thumbs to text on my phone, though. I may be a young Boomer, but I’m still definitely a Boomer!
I am on the cusp between Boomer and Gen X, so I also learned to type in school. When I was in college, I used a typewriter as an English major (many, many papers), and by the time I was a senior, word processors were available in the computer lab. Being able to type quickly has served me very well!
Yes, by my junior year – fall 1983 – there were computers in the basement of my dorm. Vintage IBMs running MSDOS with floppy disks for storage. Beat the heck out of my prior habit of writing an essay directly on the typewriter, sometimes directly as a final draft if it was short.