Plus an update from Toronto's anarchist cafe.
I read the article from News One about the bike debacle.
What I am getting from this is that the teenager in question is saying he had docked his bike, had not paid for additional time, but had essentially called "dibs" on it by standing beside it and told the woman that she couldn't use it. So she scanned the code to pay for it and got onto the bike. So then he got his friends to start recording and pushed the bike with her on it back into the dock.
I dunno who is telling the truth but I can definitely see how it could come across as entitled and inconsiderate to sit on a bunch of the best bikes you haven't paid for and refuse to allow others - including pregnant women coming off a hospital shift - to use them. He can say it was "his" all he likes but if he hasn't scanned and paid for it, then it's not "his bike" and others can take it.
Perhaps the way preggers lady allegedly dealt with it was out of line, but the kid could also have just accepted that somebody else had purchased the bike now - because in the grown up world you don't get to call "dibs" on things you haven't paid for, especially when you're dealing with New Yorkers - instead of escalating the situation.
I'm sure this has had a negative impact on the kid and his family, but at the same time, maybe the takeaway is try to avoid stupid arguments with strangers and if you do get into one, don't record it for the entire world.
Hold up. The kid docked his bike. At that point it was no longer his bike. I have no doubt he was waiting until he could use it again. But if he docked it, how was it his anymore? Am I missing something?
Also. Why does the kid need money for fundraising,? Was he charged with anything?
Calling people a Karen or a TERF is just a way for people on the left to be viciously sexist.
You guys have really lost it. A woman is entitled to behave more or less any way she pleases when she’s surrounded by a group of young men who are antagonising her. This is especially true for women who are 6 months pregnant, and completely understandable of women who have just got off a 12 hour shift at the hospital.
This idea that white women have a responsibility to never attempt to involve police in a situation with black men is insane.
Pretty sure you need to edit this immediately, or take it down. You’ve completely botched the Citi Bike story. Pretty inexcusable being that there was a thread in the Wednesday comments that understands it better.
I know y’all are loathe to play identity politics, but I wish you’d address the Karen thing more honestly: it’s not used to disparage or dismiss “people,” as Katie repeatedly says; it’s used to disparage and dismiss *women.* Sexism actually exists, Katie. For centuries women, not men, have been punished for complaining. Calling a complaining woman a “Karen” and shaming her on social media is simply a slightly more civilized version of putting a “common scold” in the stocks.
Everyone gets the "Karen" thing wrong. "Karen" is a misogynist weapon that's only very tangentially about race. Calling a woman "Karen" is a socially sanctioned way to tear a woman down for not womaning correctly: not being accommodating, not being attractive, not being young. The only way race comes into it is that woke leftists don't use the word against black women because they're afraid of being called racist.
I mean can you imagine how that bike scene would be interpreted if the races were reversed? Pregnant black woman trying to get home after a 12 hour shift, rents a bike so she can finally get off her feet. A group of white 17 year old boys refuse to let her take the bike she paid for, mock her, physically intimidate her and call her baby retarded. The boys film the whole encounter and then post it online for clout. It would be Covington Catholic all over again! Tomes would be written about the boys’ toxic masculinity and white entitlement.
Couldn't disagree with Jesse more. The women's reaction is totally proportionate and the guys were in the wrong. The group of guys were sitting on three e-bikes in order to exploit a loophole to make some cash at the expense of people trying to get from A to B which is the whole point of Citi Bikes in the first place.
Wait can we make the deal right now to ban child beauty pageants in exchange for also banning child drag shows?
I’d like to just take each group aside and say “I know what you’re doing is totally innocent but these other people… wow you know, you’re really sacrificing something heroic for the team here. You’re helping a lot of kids here.”
Then bring them back together and toilet flush these deeply weird fucked up practices.
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I hope everyone here appreciates how difficult it is to find 5 electric Citibikes at the same time in NY. Now I understand why, and why I see kids just sitting on them constantly.
I find it interesting to compare and contrast the central park Karen story with the Citi bike story. While I am sympathetic to the fact that Amy cooper basically had to go underground and the social consequences were too severe, I could understand why she was seen as the aggressor since she was breaking the rules of the park and called the cops on someone she merely due to finding him suspicious which does fit the Karen archetype. Sarah Comrie on the other hand was actually following the rules and did not escalate by calling the police she doesn't to me follow the script of being a Karen but I guess the definition changed again, as it tends, to do to suit the circumstances.
I take literally no position on the woman's behavior in the Citibike story, but it seems like even if you take the kids' story at 100% face value (1) they're clearly in violation of Citibike's terms of service for the bikes, (2) they definitely had no legal claim to deny anyone else the right to use the bike, and (3) they didn't even have a particularly valid moral/philosophical claim to the bike beyond might-makes-right.
OMG you guys got the Citi Bike thing all wrong, Come on.
Maybe it’s my stage of life, but I have more sympathy for the pregnant health care worker trying to get home after a twelve hour shift than the teenage boy “sitting on” a bike he didn’t pay for. I don’t think the kids are monsters either, they’re kids. No one involved deserves to have their life ruined over this. I’m not sure what is wrong with the kid’s mother though - if one of my kids treated a pregnant woman or any physically weaker person like this, I would feel like I failed utterly. Jesse, no offense but you got this one wrong!
Been a listener for a while, really shocked by how off you were on the CitiBike story.
Despite all the red flags you identified you still went ahead with an easily disprovable version of the story.
No, the pregnant woman getting off her shift did not physically wrestle her way in to snatch the bike. The teen probably came up with the idea for this lie because he does it himself in the video.
You can watch the video and see she is already on the bike checked out in her name. She didn’t air drop in. This is verifiable because the pink ring is lit up and the time stamps match her receipt. Then after the teens manhandle her back to forcibly dock the bike, he covertly scans the bike himself to claim it was his all along. You can watch the pink ring light up again just before they claim to the man that walked up it was totally on their account the whole time.
Super disappointed in you guys.