When I worked as registered nurse in critical care, we had three different CPR protocols, because our 7 different intensive care specialists couldn't agree how to best perform CPR. Medical specialists disagree with each other constantly within their own fields of expertise. When I worked as a community mental health nurse one of our th…
When I worked as registered nurse in critical care, we had three different CPR protocols, because our 7 different intensive care specialists couldn't agree how to best perform CPR. Medical specialists disagree with each other constantly within their own fields of expertise. When I worked as a community mental health nurse one of our three psychiatrists refused to assess people for attention deficit disorder because she didn't believe it really existed. Pierre Kory, Tess Lawrie, Robert Malone and Peter McCullouch are all expert's in their fields. Medical experts who have a different view on the rapidly evolving science from seeming consensus that is being enforced by Antony Fauci and the main stream media does not constitute medical misinformation, it is valid scientific debate among experts. Your framing this as misinformation is ignorant and wrong.
In terms of mass formation psychosis/hypnosis, it is a well established theory of social psychology developed by German Jewish psychologists in the 1950's attempting to understand the hollocost. As well as applying seamlessly to the behavior of Germans during the 1930's, it has and can be applied to American's after Sept 11, and DNC supporters (re the Russia gate nonsense after Trump was elected), and yes, to the crazy pro vaccine triple masked people right now. It's not a fringe theory, and its not being misapplied in my opinion as a nurse and psychotherapist with 30 years experience.
You seem to play pretty fast and loose with the idea of what mass psychosis would entail. That’s interesting because I wonder if you would also apply it to Trump supporters who think the election was stolen and QAnon supporters. I think there’s a lot of propaganda right now but none of this rises to the point of psychosis except for probably QAnon because that shit is crazy.
I think that if you listen to some of Dr Mattais Desmet (who has been teaching this for many years, and seems to be the go to expert on it) he makes a very compelling case for 1930's Germany, for America after Sept 11, and for the rabidly pro vax pro mask crazies these day's. Max Blumenthal did an excellent long form interview with him on Rokfin. I would encourage you to listen to and engage with that. One of the things that seems obviously different to me between my three examples and trump supporters and Qannon, is that people under the impact of mass formation psychosis become very dangerous to the groups of people who they target as their made up enemy. In 1930's Germany this criteria was obviously met in the extermination of Jews, Gypsey's, people with mental health problems and disabilities. The madness after Sept 11 lead to the invasion and destruction of multiple countries, illegal torture programe and the roll back of human rights all around the world. The pro vax crazies/mandates etc have caused the loss of peoples livelihoods, and some very alarming rhetoric (for example, Noam Chomskey has advocated putting people who refuse to be vaccinated in camps and not fed them). So the place where QAnon and Trump supporters who think the election is stolen (and probably the Russia gate dupes) would seem to fail the test is that they don't seem to have caused any real harm to anyone. But I would suggest you listen to Max's interview with Dr Desmet https://www.rokfin.com/stream/9705/Foreign-Agents-10--Covid-and-Mass-Hypnosis-wDr-Mattias-Desmet
I think that you very much are underestimating the negative effects of Qanon supporters and Trump supporters. I mean there were people who made threats of violence against a pizza place in DC just because of a weird conspiracy theory about us sex dungeon in non-existent basement. I was in Detroit during the election in the counting of the ballots and boy did Trump supporters harass the shit out of everyone down there even before it was called because of this conspiracy theory from Donald Trump. It was violent and they were trying to throw out all the votes in Michigan which does cause harm to those of us who live here and could be deprived are legitimate rights. I won’t even go on about all the armed protest and threats against the governor of Michigan that are pretty friggin scary. Now you can freely believe that only people on the left are a problem but like I think you might be also overly biased.
I don't live in America, so I don't have any direct experience on the Qannon nonsense or the full effects of the Russia gate nonsense, so you could well be right, though I suspect that the harm may not be systemic enough to qualify. 6 million people were killed in the hollocost. Millions of people were displaced and several countries were destroyed in the post Sept 11 madness. Millions of people have lost their livelihoods, and people have effectively lost their right to bodily autonomy. This is harm on a massive scale, supported by the majority of the population. Qanon may be crazy, but I'm not sure (from a distance) what they have done that has constituted that kind of harm. I would also dispute that the DNC, silicon valley, or the mainstream media are "the left", I would tend to describe them as neoliberal corporatists, as to be left wing is to support the redistribution of wealth (from the rich to the poor), while the DNC and RNC are both united in their efforts to redistribute wealth in the opposite direction. But listen to some of Dr Desmet's interviews and make up your own mind, he's the expert on this, not me.
If Gretchen Whitmore is the Governor of Michigan then I don't think that the plot against her can be put down to mass formation hypnosis/psychosis as the majority of the conspirators were working for your government, as has been widely reported.
When I worked as registered nurse in critical care, we had three different CPR protocols, because our 7 different intensive care specialists couldn't agree how to best perform CPR. Medical specialists disagree with each other constantly within their own fields of expertise. When I worked as a community mental health nurse one of our three psychiatrists refused to assess people for attention deficit disorder because she didn't believe it really existed. Pierre Kory, Tess Lawrie, Robert Malone and Peter McCullouch are all expert's in their fields. Medical experts who have a different view on the rapidly evolving science from seeming consensus that is being enforced by Antony Fauci and the main stream media does not constitute medical misinformation, it is valid scientific debate among experts. Your framing this as misinformation is ignorant and wrong.
In terms of mass formation psychosis/hypnosis, it is a well established theory of social psychology developed by German Jewish psychologists in the 1950's attempting to understand the hollocost. As well as applying seamlessly to the behavior of Germans during the 1930's, it has and can be applied to American's after Sept 11, and DNC supporters (re the Russia gate nonsense after Trump was elected), and yes, to the crazy pro vaccine triple masked people right now. It's not a fringe theory, and its not being misapplied in my opinion as a nurse and psychotherapist with 30 years experience.
You seem to play pretty fast and loose with the idea of what mass psychosis would entail. That’s interesting because I wonder if you would also apply it to Trump supporters who think the election was stolen and QAnon supporters. I think there’s a lot of propaganda right now but none of this rises to the point of psychosis except for probably QAnon because that shit is crazy.
I think that if you listen to some of Dr Mattais Desmet (who has been teaching this for many years, and seems to be the go to expert on it) he makes a very compelling case for 1930's Germany, for America after Sept 11, and for the rabidly pro vax pro mask crazies these day's. Max Blumenthal did an excellent long form interview with him on Rokfin. I would encourage you to listen to and engage with that. One of the things that seems obviously different to me between my three examples and trump supporters and Qannon, is that people under the impact of mass formation psychosis become very dangerous to the groups of people who they target as their made up enemy. In 1930's Germany this criteria was obviously met in the extermination of Jews, Gypsey's, people with mental health problems and disabilities. The madness after Sept 11 lead to the invasion and destruction of multiple countries, illegal torture programe and the roll back of human rights all around the world. The pro vax crazies/mandates etc have caused the loss of peoples livelihoods, and some very alarming rhetoric (for example, Noam Chomskey has advocated putting people who refuse to be vaccinated in camps and not fed them). So the place where QAnon and Trump supporters who think the election is stolen (and probably the Russia gate dupes) would seem to fail the test is that they don't seem to have caused any real harm to anyone. But I would suggest you listen to Max's interview with Dr Desmet https://www.rokfin.com/stream/9705/Foreign-Agents-10--Covid-and-Mass-Hypnosis-wDr-Mattias-Desmet
I think that you very much are underestimating the negative effects of Qanon supporters and Trump supporters. I mean there were people who made threats of violence against a pizza place in DC just because of a weird conspiracy theory about us sex dungeon in non-existent basement. I was in Detroit during the election in the counting of the ballots and boy did Trump supporters harass the shit out of everyone down there even before it was called because of this conspiracy theory from Donald Trump. It was violent and they were trying to throw out all the votes in Michigan which does cause harm to those of us who live here and could be deprived are legitimate rights. I won’t even go on about all the armed protest and threats against the governor of Michigan that are pretty friggin scary. Now you can freely believe that only people on the left are a problem but like I think you might be also overly biased.
I don't live in America, so I don't have any direct experience on the Qannon nonsense or the full effects of the Russia gate nonsense, so you could well be right, though I suspect that the harm may not be systemic enough to qualify. 6 million people were killed in the hollocost. Millions of people were displaced and several countries were destroyed in the post Sept 11 madness. Millions of people have lost their livelihoods, and people have effectively lost their right to bodily autonomy. This is harm on a massive scale, supported by the majority of the population. Qanon may be crazy, but I'm not sure (from a distance) what they have done that has constituted that kind of harm. I would also dispute that the DNC, silicon valley, or the mainstream media are "the left", I would tend to describe them as neoliberal corporatists, as to be left wing is to support the redistribution of wealth (from the rich to the poor), while the DNC and RNC are both united in their efforts to redistribute wealth in the opposite direction. But listen to some of Dr Desmet's interviews and make up your own mind, he's the expert on this, not me.
If Gretchen Whitmore is the Governor of Michigan then I don't think that the plot against her can be put down to mass formation hypnosis/psychosis as the majority of the conspirators were working for your government, as has been widely reported.
This is very interesting! Thanks!