Updates on old episodes: Jesse learns Katie has a dog, it nearly dies, Katie discovers a fake doctor cabal, and the insane incompetence in the Loudon County case escalates to criminal charges
I loved this but I think you are slightly missing the story on Loudoun County. This is a case of the Emperor's New Clothes. No one wants to say what is obvious. The kid was manipulating the "good liberals" out of punishing him and protecting the female victim. The trans community, as y'all know, are incredibly strident in their policing of these kinds of facts -- men pretending to be trans and getting into female prisons, etc. This is the exact phenom that is in the TERF debate: how to protect girls from men pretending to be trans. It seems to me that you guys were downplaying that so as not to come out as conservative. If this boy was an obvious Trump supporter none of this would have happened. The fact is that activists are too worried about creating yet more stigma around trans kids to have protected the girls involved.
Hey all special education teacher here. I work at a public high school. Wanted to try to clear up a couple things.
As to the dad being denied entrance to the building. I have seen this before. There have been a few occasions at my school involving parents being let in side doors (our school is 80 years old and has 45 separate ways into the building) by students unaware of their intentions. These parents have tried to kidnap their kids and run with them! In all the cases I have seen, parents have been involved in nasty divorces, figuratively “lose their minds” and try to kidnap their children.
One might ask …where’s security? It would literally take a platoon of security guards to be at all positions at our school to truly keep things safe. So…in a sense, I get where the school is coming from not allowing the dad in right away.
As to the question of why the alleged rapist was allowed to stay in school, Jesse, you’re right. FAPE is a thing. However, when our district encounters a student that has a major episode (assault, etc) they are directed to what we call student services and can be suspended for quite a while, and must meet with the district before they can return to school. It’s ridiculous that this didn’t happen in this case. The alleged rapist should not been allowed anywhere near the school until what I would consider proper protocol had been followed.
It’s surprising that mom reached out to the school for help. Most parents tend to have the mindset that the school is responsible for their child’s behavior from “8-3” (or whatever start time/dismissal time is). The issue is there’s only so much a school can do. We can direct parents to social services (therapy) etc…but waiting lists are incredibly long. Schools aren’t set up for actual mental health therapy. So that’s a major hurdle.
In relation to the teacher’s aid reporting seeing a pair of feet in the stalls…this has increased exponentially due to vaping nicotine or using thc cartridges. We have to clear multiple kids out of bathroom stalls during passing periods every period every day. So….I could see how this might have been kind of pushed aside..
This might sound like I’m defending the district. I am most definitely not. They way this was handled was criminal. I just don’t tthink the general public has a good grasp of what goes on in large public schools. Parents and students basically run the show because districts are terrified of being sued (even though most retain very high priced lawyers for just such events).
The best interests of the majority of students aren’t being considered. Due to federal SE laws passed many years ago. Districts were basically required to provide inclusive environments for students with behavioral or learning disabilities. It’s bled over into the general population of kids too. A student basically would have to Jill someone to be permanently expelled from a school district. Even then we’re required to give them a public education while they’re incarcerated.
Long story short…public schools have basically turned into a hellscape, especially after Covid. Nearly everything that’s done from district down to administration is counterintuitive to how society operates. There’s a reason why there’s a teacher shortage across the country. That’s not me looking for sympathy…it is what it is.
Hopefully this clears a couple things up and gives the general public an idea of what goes on in public schools on a daily basis!
The Loudoun County rape case is exactly what is meant by rape culture: people who talk a good game about morals/dei/feminism who look the other way when a sexual assault complicates their world view. It crosses political lines, and is the same as the Catholic Church and the Rotherham grooming gangs in the UK.
The number of gems from this podcast cannot be overstated. Sitting here in a wash tub filled with baked beans right now! I've pulled the shades to reduce light and added a couple of eucalyptus-scented candles the enhance the tactile-kinesthetic-olfactory effects of this DIY stress reliever. A second listen to today's episode, while sitting in the beans, and I'll be energized and refreshed for another day battling this odd world.
I commented last week that my psych prof partner felt like Jesse was being too uncritical of the journal editor in this situation, since Fiedler totally breached the normal peer review protocol. Kudos to Jesse for reading those critical emails about his depiction of the Fiedler-Roberts-Mule controversy that make this point. This why I trust and respect Jesse as a journalist!
Have you considered the idea that Basecamp simply wanted to lay off some staff because its payroll was bloated but for a lot of reasons it needed a smoke screen to do it. Reasons such as not to signal their financial weakness to the market and their sad outlook. So get a large percentage of the workforce to take a severance package and no one will notice that you didn't bother to actually replace any of them.
Have you noticed all the downsizing going on but only Elon is guilty for laying of staff for no good reason. Staff who were busy doing nothing beneficial to the bloated tech stock boosted bubble company with no good business model.
On the most minor point of the Loudon County schools recap: I can confirm that your typical public school tends to be very strict about enforcing its policy of not letting parents (or anyone else) into the building without ID. When I lived in a very small town where everyone knew each other, my kid's school was more lax about security, but that was unusual. Any medium to large district is going to be very uptight about locked-door and entrance policies.
I get that this seems mind-bogglingly incongruous with the obvious disregard by LCPS staff in the story for safety issues like a male and female student in a bathroom stall together.
Re. Loudon County, according to Reduxx the male who committed the assault absolutely is and continues to identify as transgender, and wasn't just "a boy who sometimes wore a skirt". From Reduxx's report: "The officer attending the incident reported there was confusion over the perpetrator’s gender identity but it was later discovered that, despite being male, he had been registered on school documents as female. His parent, on arrival at the school to collect him, confirmed that he identifies as transgender.
The alleged perpetrator has been charged with Assault and Battery and Disorderly Conduct. He was referred to with female pronouns throughout the police report."
It is almost certain, given how trans males who have committed assault have used their identity in the past to shield themselves (very effectively) from more harsh penalties, that this particular assailant's trans identity constituted a protective factor in how the school board treated him, and essentially enabled him to assault another girl.
I loved this but I think you are slightly missing the story on Loudoun County. This is a case of the Emperor's New Clothes. No one wants to say what is obvious. The kid was manipulating the "good liberals" out of punishing him and protecting the female victim. The trans community, as y'all know, are incredibly strident in their policing of these kinds of facts -- men pretending to be trans and getting into female prisons, etc. This is the exact phenom that is in the TERF debate: how to protect girls from men pretending to be trans. It seems to me that you guys were downplaying that so as not to come out as conservative. If this boy was an obvious Trump supporter none of this would have happened. The fact is that activists are too worried about creating yet more stigma around trans kids to have protected the girls involved.
I would just like for there to be a class of adults who don’t care if kids think they are cool. I feel like that would solve a lot of problems.
Sigh. It’s Switzerland that does euthanasia, not Sweden. In Sweden, we treasure our miserable, angst filled lives.
You don’t go to Sweden for euthanasia. Katie and Jesse are thinking of Switzerland.
Greetings from Sweden, where euthanasia is *not* legal. 😬🇸🇪
Hey all special education teacher here. I work at a public high school. Wanted to try to clear up a couple things.
As to the dad being denied entrance to the building. I have seen this before. There have been a few occasions at my school involving parents being let in side doors (our school is 80 years old and has 45 separate ways into the building) by students unaware of their intentions. These parents have tried to kidnap their kids and run with them! In all the cases I have seen, parents have been involved in nasty divorces, figuratively “lose their minds” and try to kidnap their children.
One might ask …where’s security? It would literally take a platoon of security guards to be at all positions at our school to truly keep things safe. So…in a sense, I get where the school is coming from not allowing the dad in right away.
As to the question of why the alleged rapist was allowed to stay in school, Jesse, you’re right. FAPE is a thing. However, when our district encounters a student that has a major episode (assault, etc) they are directed to what we call student services and can be suspended for quite a while, and must meet with the district before they can return to school. It’s ridiculous that this didn’t happen in this case. The alleged rapist should not been allowed anywhere near the school until what I would consider proper protocol had been followed.
It’s surprising that mom reached out to the school for help. Most parents tend to have the mindset that the school is responsible for their child’s behavior from “8-3” (or whatever start time/dismissal time is). The issue is there’s only so much a school can do. We can direct parents to social services (therapy) etc…but waiting lists are incredibly long. Schools aren’t set up for actual mental health therapy. So that’s a major hurdle.
In relation to the teacher’s aid reporting seeing a pair of feet in the stalls…this has increased exponentially due to vaping nicotine or using thc cartridges. We have to clear multiple kids out of bathroom stalls during passing periods every period every day. So….I could see how this might have been kind of pushed aside..
This might sound like I’m defending the district. I am most definitely not. They way this was handled was criminal. I just don’t tthink the general public has a good grasp of what goes on in large public schools. Parents and students basically run the show because districts are terrified of being sued (even though most retain very high priced lawyers for just such events).
The best interests of the majority of students aren’t being considered. Due to federal SE laws passed many years ago. Districts were basically required to provide inclusive environments for students with behavioral or learning disabilities. It’s bled over into the general population of kids too. A student basically would have to Jill someone to be permanently expelled from a school district. Even then we’re required to give them a public education while they’re incarcerated.
Long story short…public schools have basically turned into a hellscape, especially after Covid. Nearly everything that’s done from district down to administration is counterintuitive to how society operates. There’s a reason why there’s a teacher shortage across the country. That’s not me looking for sympathy…it is what it is.
Hopefully this clears a couple things up and gives the general public an idea of what goes on in public schools on a daily basis!
The Loudoun County rape case is exactly what is meant by rape culture: people who talk a good game about morals/dei/feminism who look the other way when a sexual assault complicates their world view. It crosses political lines, and is the same as the Catholic Church and the Rotherham grooming gangs in the UK.
Sign that I've listened to too much of your podcast: when you said 'first reported by Fortune' I heard 'first reported by 4chan.'
Wow, this Loudon County kid sounds like a serial killer in the making....
The number of gems from this podcast cannot be overstated. Sitting here in a wash tub filled with baked beans right now! I've pulled the shades to reduce light and added a couple of eucalyptus-scented candles the enhance the tactile-kinesthetic-olfactory effects of this DIY stress reliever. A second listen to today's episode, while sitting in the beans, and I'll be energized and refreshed for another day battling this odd world.
I commented last week that my psych prof partner felt like Jesse was being too uncritical of the journal editor in this situation, since Fiedler totally breached the normal peer review protocol. Kudos to Jesse for reading those critical emails about his depiction of the Fiedler-Roberts-Mule controversy that make this point. This why I trust and respect Jesse as a journalist!
Have you considered the idea that Basecamp simply wanted to lay off some staff because its payroll was bloated but for a lot of reasons it needed a smoke screen to do it. Reasons such as not to signal their financial weakness to the market and their sad outlook. So get a large percentage of the workforce to take a severance package and no one will notice that you didn't bother to actually replace any of them.
Have you noticed all the downsizing going on but only Elon is guilty for laying of staff for no good reason. Staff who were busy doing nothing beneficial to the bloated tech stock boosted bubble company with no good business model.
Katie once again arguing for protecting young people from rape like the right wing extremist she is.
On the most minor point of the Loudon County schools recap: I can confirm that your typical public school tends to be very strict about enforcing its policy of not letting parents (or anyone else) into the building without ID. When I lived in a very small town where everyone knew each other, my kid's school was more lax about security, but that was unusual. Any medium to large district is going to be very uptight about locked-door and entrance policies.
I get that this seems mind-bogglingly incongruous with the obvious disregard by LCPS staff in the story for safety issues like a male and female student in a bathroom stall together.
Update on the Canadian size Z shop teacher https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11542587/amp/Students-threatened-suspension-photograph-trans-teacher-huge-prosthetic-breasts.html
Also being open reactionaries now we need a super gay why i left the left video and it has to be extremely incoherent
It’s always beets.
https://youtu.be/Kw2WsXIgO6A
Re. Loudon County, according to Reduxx the male who committed the assault absolutely is and continues to identify as transgender, and wasn't just "a boy who sometimes wore a skirt". From Reduxx's report: "The officer attending the incident reported there was confusion over the perpetrator’s gender identity but it was later discovered that, despite being male, he had been registered on school documents as female. His parent, on arrival at the school to collect him, confirmed that he identifies as transgender.
The alleged perpetrator has been charged with Assault and Battery and Disorderly Conduct. He was referred to with female pronouns throughout the police report."
It is almost certain, given how trans males who have committed assault have used their identity in the past to shield themselves (very effectively) from more harsh penalties, that this particular assailant's trans identity constituted a protective factor in how the school board treated him, and essentially enabled him to assault another girl.